NING ASC Controllers - www.dj-ning.com, now we can stop sending money to china Options

[THE SHINING POLA...]

New Japan based company
Global shipping
10.00 - 19.00 Skype support in Japanese, English and French
Sanwas as standard [edit: on the NRC-500], 5000 yen less with SwitchLabs
Key-silencing available for 12 000 yen!

Video:

http://zoome.jp/dvdrom/diary/39 [Blind Justice being played on a Ning]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EBB96nsBHU [Rainbow LED demo]

Price:

NRC-300 SOLO -- 39 800 YEN
NRC-500 SOLO -- 64 800 YEN
NRC-700 DUO -- coming soon YEN
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website in english - http://www.dj-ning.com/index.php?main_page...amp;language=en

[Address]神奈川県横浜市旭区中希望が丘62-10 / 62-10 Nakakibogaoka Asahi-Ku Yokohama-Shi Kanagawa-Ken
[国名/Country]日本国/JAPAN
[電話/Phone]045-568-6014/ +81-45-568-6014
[FAX]045-568-6014/ +81-45-568-6014

[Mazrim]

Price? Quality? Anyone in the community that has tried this thing? It looks nice, but will it last?

[chotto kiitena]

Do they still only offer variable turntable weight, key silencing to Japanese customers? That was kind of really lame.

Is it really worth paying more than a Dao for an unproven product? Even if Dao is CHINESE MAN

Actually how do you know this operation is Japanese exactly? Ning is not a very Japanese sounding name.

[Smbu]

Sanwas as standard, 5000 yen less with SwitchLabs

Sanwas are not standard on the NRC-300 SOLO it appears. The website states "Sanwa +9000 YEN" on the NRC-300 SOLO page. They are standard on the NRC-500 SOLO though.

[rmz]

Those prices are exorbitant, even by custom ASC standards.

[ErAseRmoTor maXi...]

I think I'll stick with Dao, I accept nothing less than the finest Chinese lead in my controller that I rest my hands on for hours every day.

Why are these things so expensive anyway

[waffles]

Yeah... As far as I can tell, they're DAOs with prettier turntables, faceplates, and construction like the better daos (I had one FP7 that used wood for the internal shell, which was great, and one which used styrofoam, which was not so great). And as far as I can tell neither of the reviews came from people who have used daos before, so...

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if its somebody buying DJ dao controllers, modifying them, and reselling them for mucho bucks. After all, its not like DAO would even have a problem with that - every controller that NING sells would really be one that he sold.

Edit: And also if they're sold/shipped out of japan, that gets the 'oh, we no longer need to deal with china' hesistation that some people have out of the way.

[THE SHINING POLA...]

This is well and truly a japanese operation, look at the website and contact details.
At first I thought the price difference could have been a chinese factory VS japanese factory situation, but now this has me feeling pretty iffy.
Check out this http://www.djdaojp.com website which I found via http://www.1stpi.net/ (which covers NING as well)

They're asking for 47 800 YEN for an FP7 here http://www.djdaojp.com/index.php?main_page...p;products_id=3

Let me repeat that, FP7 at bemaniasc.com costs $180 USD, FP7 at djdaojp.com costs 47 800 YEN ($530 USD). That's a standard FP7 setup with honeywells, what's funny is they're offering the key silencing options for it!

What do you guys think?

[Madek]

I played on one of the NRC-300's with sanwas. The controller was very nice. Very solid, well built, turntable was very smooth.. no misfires or anything. But, the price is way too expensive, and I get better scores on the KOC. Nice controller though.

[THE SHINING POLA...]

found this review http://www.bemanistyle.com/index.php/news/...300-review-1547

Not half as excited now as I initially was about this controller. I'll keep looking at a DJ DAO RES with the black DD finish and white/pink LEDS I think

[Mazrim]

I'd like to see how a few more people who have played on DJ Dao controllers and the like would compare this before making judgments.

[Buffalo]

THey should ship a test unit to me! I've played on a DASC, a DAO, a KASC, a KOC, and played on an actual machine before.

[loluralimey]

Idk i plan to buy one. 500 series. Soon. It might be a waste of money for me though, seeing im prolly not gonna touch it after like 3 days or something.

[Putf8umHawke]

>Key-silencing available for 12 000 yen!

Jesus, that's a pretty expensive option. I like the arcade keys and all, but I remember my old ASC being louder than hell. Over 50k yen for a controller seems really excessive.

[Jadin]

I wish I lived in Japan so I could spend $1000 on an awesome singles deck. :<

[waffles]

I'd like to see how a few more people who have played on DJ Dao controllers and the like would compare this before making judgments.

I couldn't agree more. However its my guess that they are DJ DAO VARs - Value Added Resellers.

And by Value, I mean Price

[Krazy]

Yeah I am pretty confident that DJ DAO and DJ NING are the same except DJ NING is Dao's Japanese contact or NING is just reselling DAO's controllers for more cost. Just compare:

http://www.djdaojp.com/index.php?main_page...p;products_id=3
http://www.dj-ning.com/index.php?main_page...p;products_id=9

the options stuff at the bottom of each page makes it especially obvious.

[THE SHINING POLA...]

I think I'll just ask him on skype when he's online and see what he has to say and then post it here.

[THE SHINING POLA...]

Here's some excerpts from my conversation:

[2:35:20 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: hello ^^
[2:35:45 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: may i help you?
[2:36:20 PM] N says: Hi! Yes, I have some questions about your controllers
[2:36:29 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: OK^^
[2:36:37 PM] N says: ^^
[2:37:12 PM] N says: are they chinese man?
[2:37:26 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: No Japanes^^
[2:37:52 PM] N says: okay^^ but the www.djdaojp.com controllers
[2:38:01 PM] N says: are they the same as DAO?
[2:38:05 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: No
[2:38:23 PM] N says: Oh ok
[2:38:29 PM] N says: what's the difference?
[2:38:37 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: DJ Ning is It designs in Japan, and it manufactures it in China.
[2:38:51 PM] N says: Okay
[2:38:55 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: ^^
[2:39:23 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: The qualities of parts used are also different.
[2:39:49 PM] N says: I see
[2:40:33 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: Please my best regards.
[2:40:45 PM] N says: I have one more question
[2:40:53 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: ok
[2:41:08 PM] N says: Why should I buy a djdaojp or NING controller instead of a bemaniasc.com
[2:41:24 PM] N says: the price difference is quite large ^^;
[2:41:38 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: oh><^^
[2:42:50 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: Parts used are high-quality. The fault of DJ DAO is corrected and it designs in Japan.
[2:43:05 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: The substrate is designed in Japan.
[2:43:19 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: Therefore, the cost of manufacturing is high.
[2:43:24 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: ^^
[2:43:25 PM] N says: I see
[2:44:57 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: The cost rises very much when manufacturing it in Japan though I wanted to manufacture in Japan in reality. Therefore, it manufactures it in China.
[2:47:00 PM] N says: ^^
[2:47:05 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: ^^
[2:59:48 PM] N says: Can I write your answers in a IIDX forum?
[3:00:26 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: YES
[3:00:40 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: Please write.
[3:00:41 PM] N says: Okay^^
[3:00:54 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: ^^
[3:01:05 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: My best regards.
[3:01:09 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: thank you^^


[4:41:41 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: Do not make English good, and I'm sorry by me.
[4:41:46 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: ><
[4:41:53 PM] N says: ok
[4:42:36 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: The employee who can speak English is a rest today.
[4:42:50 PM] N says: arrest?
[4:43:11 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: no
[4:43:12 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: she is holiday
[4:43:42 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: It is holiday.
[4:47:02 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: I will go to Beijing from tomorrow. However, she is in Japan.
[4:47:10 PM] N says: I see
[4:47:15 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: ＾＾
[4:47:16 PM] N says: business with DAO?
[4:47:19 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: no
[4:47:23 PM] N says: okay ^^
[4:47:57 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: It works in cooperation with Mr. ning who is Chinese's friend.
[4:48:13 PM] N says: I see
[4:48:32 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: there is a Japanese engineer, too.
[4:49:09 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: DJ Ning is produced in the technology of Japan and the technology of China.
[4:49:10 PM] N says: but djdaojp controllers are made by dj dao yes?
[4:49:16 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: yes
[4:49:20 PM] N says: okay ^^
[4:49:22 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: DJ DAO is DJ DAO Only
[4:49:30 PM] N says: and DJ NING controllers made by someone else?
[4:49:46 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: yes
[4:49:51 PM] N says: I see
[4:50:17 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: DJ Ning is ,My friend's Mr. Ning is producing.
[4:50:50 PM] N says: Okay ^^
[4:51:01 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: Please my best regards. -^^ thanks^^


[4:58:52 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: Because the import agency commission is added, the price is different.
[5:00:59 PM] N says: but why don't japanese buy a DAO controller from bemaniasc.com instead?
[5:01:30 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: No, it buys it.
[5:01:31 PM] N says: and save ~20 000 yen
[5:01:52 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: The person who wants to import it cheaply buys it there.
[5:02:02 PM] N says: Okay
[5:02:21 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: However, it is unwarranted when importing it from Mr. DJ DAO.
[5:02:52 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: The guarantee in Japan adheres when importing it from us. It is a difference of the price difference, [and high import fee from china, djdaojp is local postage for Japan.]
[5:03:36 PM] ファーストピーアイNanao says: We use it properly by the customer.

[waffles]

Thanks for the interview excerpt. Probably Dao would give better answers: Ning has good reason to deny being a reseller of DAO. Dao has a little less reason to deny that. In fact, if they're not the same Dao might claim that his are better. It'll be really hard to know until someone who knows both compares them.