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> I think it's about time for these people to be called out...
Koushiro
post Dec 6 2014, 03:57 PM
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Since it doesn't seem to me that people (for one reason or another) are not aware...

Hard/Easy modifiers weren't available prior to 6th Style, so how exactly are people claiming to be using said mods for songs that were never revived beyond 5th Style? I even made a list to break it down for songs on CS releases that are impossible to use Hard/Easy on:

3rd Style:

22DUNK / SLAKE
Artificial Impatience / SYMPHONIC DEFOGGERS
Beat Machine / CRUNKY BOY JR.
been so long / m-flo
Brazilian Rhyme / Satoru Shionoya + Satoshi Tomiie
BRILLIANT 2U / NAOKI - DanceDanceRevolution 2ndMIX
celebrate / JJ COMPANY
Cold Pulse / QUADRA w/ DJ FX
Dancin' Into The Night / good-cool
Deep Clear Eyes / QUADRA - beatmania 2ndMIX
deep in you / dj nagureo - beatmania 4thMIX ~the beat goes on~
Digital MinD (A/T Libra mix) / TaQ
diving money / QUADRA
Do you love me? / reo-nagumo - beatmania 2ndMIX
DREAM / SHIN Murayama feat.mari saito
e-motion / e.o.s - beatmania (3rd Style charts only)
five fathoms (beatmania II special version) / EverythingButTheGirl
g.m.d. / DJ mazinger featuring Muhammad
GAMBOL / SLAKE
Garden of Love / DJ Mazinger
Get me in your sight / SYMPHONIC DEFOGGERS
Get on Beat / ON
Headache / good-cool
Hitch Hiker / good-cool
I Was The One / good-cool
I'm In Love Again / dj TAKA
into the world / QUADRA
jam jam reggae / Jam Master'73 - beatmania
Junglist King (long) / Hirofumi Asamoto(ram jam world)
Junglist King / Hirofumi Asamoto(ram jam world)
Keep on Movin' / NMR - DanceDanceRevolution 2ndMIX
L.O.T. (Love Or Truth) / m-flo
LET THE BEAT HIT EM! (BASS MIX) / STONE BROS.
Let's talk it over / SHIN Murayama feat. Argie Phine
LOVE SO GROOVY / LOVEMINTS - beatmania
lovin' you / MONDAY MICHIRU
Melt in my arms / Honey P feat. Asuka.M
Mirrorball Satellite 2012 / m-flo
morning prayer / SILVA
never let you down / good-cool feat. JP Miles
OVERDOSER / MIRAK - beatmania
Panorama / Hirofumi Asamoto(ram jam world)
patsenner / dj nagureo
perfect free / nite system
PUT YOUR FAITH IN ME (for beatmania II) / dj TAKA feat. UZI-LAY
Queen's Jamaica (astria mix) / Crunky Boy featuring Muhammad
Right Now / atomic kitten
S.O.S. (THE TIGER TOOK MY FAMILY) / DR.JEKYLL
S.O.S. / DR.BOMBAY
Salamander Beat Crush mix / NITE SYSTEM - beatmania 2ndMIX
Second Style (Hip Hop Paradise) / dj TAKA feat. DAY BREAKERS
Sense / good-cool
Shake / double
Shine On / Shorai
ska a go go / THE BALD HEADS - beatmania 2ndMIX
SKIN / CHARLOTTE
SOFT LANDING ON THE BODY / DJ SIMON
special energy / DJ FX
SP-TRIP MACHINE (for beatmania II) / dj TAKA feat. DE-SIRE
TAKE ON ME / ANGELA
踊る!福神漬 (CALCUTTA) / DR.BOMBAY

4th Style:

Burnin' the Floor / NAOKI - DanceDanceRevolution 4thMIX
CONGA / good-cool feat. JP Miles
FANTASY / ULTIMATE DUB
Final Count Down (MTO CRY BABY STYLE) / dj TAKA feat. Jasmine
FLOWERS for ALBION / dj TAKA
GIRIGIRI DADDY / Shoichiro Hirata
GOBBLE / Kimitaka Matsumae
INFINITE PRAYER / L.E.D. feat. GORO - beatmania APPEND GOTTAMIX2 -Going Global-
INFINITE PRAYER -floating flock style- / L.E.D.LIGHT feat. GORO
Jam&Marmalade / FinalOffset - beatmania III
Nasty! / Baby Weapon feat. Asuka.M
NEW YORK CITY BOY / GUY THOMAS
Rest my mind / dj nagureo feat. Doublecheese - beatmania III
SANA MOLLETE NE ENTE / Togo Project feat. Sana - beatmania APPEND GOTTAMIX2 -Going Global-
SANA MOLLETE NE ENTE -B.L.T. STYLE- / Togo Project feat. Sana
Small Waves / dj TAKA
Trancemission / napakick
Twin bee ~Generation X~ / FinalOffset - beatmania III
ULTRA HIGH-HEELS / dj TAKA feat.ANGEL - pop'n music 5
Under Construction / good-cool

5th Style:

1989 / Osamu Kubota
c-r-a-c-k-ER / GWASHI
Deadline / Dutch Force
DENGUE / Macky
DUNE / napakick feat. Taja
entrance / Kobo Project with Masa
Flash of Love / good-cool feat. Mickin'Tackin'
INSERTiON / NAOKI underground - DanceDanceRevolution 5thMIX
Kiss me all night long / NAOKI J-STYLE feat. MIU - Dance Maniax 2ndMIX
more deep (ver.2.1) / Togo project feat. Sana
PRAT FALL / SPÔN
SOMETHING WONDERFUL / L.E.D.
Spin the disc / good-cool
Time is money / good-cool
VIRTUAL MIND / Brian Morris feat.Thomas - Dance Manix 2ndMIX
天国のキッス ~D.J.TAKA's style~ / オセロ
電人イェーガーのテーマ (Theme of DENJIN J) / L.E.D.



I know that there are songs in that list which did make an appearance in BMUS where you can use Hard/Easy, but would it be possible to disable the option to change the gauge for Hard/Easy on said songs when inputting scores for said songs under 3rd-5th Style?

Another thing I noted is the fact that for some of us, we have to change what HS we use for certain songs if played on 3rd/4th Style, as opposed to other mixes that they appear on (my normal comfortable reading speed for 150 is HS3, whereas on 3rd/4th my comfort for 150 is HS2). Just a thought for the latter, but it just makes sense to me to differentiate mods based on what style they're played on.


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post Dec 8 2014, 05:08 PM
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post Dec 15 2014, 04:55 PM
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Possibly they thought the Expert lifebar mod was the same as hard? No clue on Easy.

I agree with the high speed thing too. HS1 is the same always. HS2 on 3rd=HS3 in 5th and beyond. HS3 on 3rd=HS5 in RED and beyond. HS2 on 4th=HS2.5 on RED and beyond. HS3 on 4th=HS4 on 6th and beyond.

I dunno if there's really many instances where browsing and seeing someone's high speed will actually matter "oh wow he got AAA while using HS2, maybe I should too", but regardless for songs in 3rd and 4th it isn't very descriptive unless whoever input the score also commented "3rd" or whatever.


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post Jan 23 2015, 02:17 PM
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post Jan 26 2015, 02:25 PM
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post Jan 27 2015, 04:52 AM
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QUOTE (Koushiro @ Dec 6 2014, 12:57 PM) *
Since it doesn't seem to me that people (for one reason or another) are not aware...

Hard/Easy modifiers weren't available prior to 6th Style, so how exactly are people claiming to be using said mods for songs that were never revived beyond 5th Style? I even made a list to break it down for songs on CS releases that are impossible to use Hard/Easy on:

3rd Style:

Dancin' Into The Night / good-cool US / 7th / Empress
Digital MinD (A/T Libra mix) / TaQ US / DistorteD
Do you love me? / reo-nagumo no CS IIDX charts
e-motion / e.o.s - beatmania (3rd Style charts only) e-motion doesn't have 3rd-specific charts
g.m.d. / DJ mazinger featuring Muhammad US
GAMBOL / SLAKE RED / Troopers / Empress
Hitch Hiker / good-cool US / 10th
I Was The One / good-cool 6th / 7th / US / DistorteD / Empress
jam jam reggae / Jam Master'73 no CS IIDX charts
Keep on Movin' / NMR - no CS IIDX charts
LOVE SO GROOVY / LOVEMINTS - no CS IIDX charts
Mirrorball Satellite 2012 / m-flo no CS IIDX charts
morning prayer / SILVA no CS IIDX charts
Queen's Jamaica (astria mix) / Crunky Boy featuring Muhammad no CS IIDX charts
Shake / double no CS IIDX charts
ska a go go / THE BALD HEADS - no CS IIDX charts
SKIN / CHARLOTTE no CS IIDX charts

5th Style:

entrance / Kobo Project with Masa 7th
more deep (ver.2.1) / Togo project feat. Sana 7th
SOMETHING WONDERFUL / L.E.D. 6th
Spin the disc / good-cool 7th / 9th / US
電人イェーガーのテーマ (Theme of DENJIN J) / L.E.D.6th



I know that there are songs in that list which did make an appearance in BMUS where you can use Hard/Easy, but would it be possible to disable the option to change the gauge for Hard/Easy on said songs when inputting scores for said songs under 3rd-5th Style?

Another thing I noted is the fact that for some of us, we have to change what HS we use for certain songs if played on 3rd/4th Style, as opposed to other mixes that they appear on (my normal comfortable reading speed for 150 is HS3, whereas on 3rd/4th my comfort for 150 is HS2). Just a thought for the latter, but it just makes sense to me to differentiate mods based on what style they're played on.


Re easy/hard, your lists aren't that great, you have a bunch of songs that didn't make it to home versions and a lot of songs that were revived in later styles, plus you're missing things like Genom Screams [3rd] where a tracker was added for a specific chart that changed on later styles. Do you have specific examples of where you're seeing a hard or easy where it's impossible? Really though, it's not something that affects much in the grand scheme of things.

The hi speed thing would be nice, but depending on how they're stored it might take a rework of the db architecture, and then you have the problem of "what to do with existing data" especially on songs like e.g. I Was The One where the HS values might be from 3rd or Empress, who knows.

That's not even including the fact that I bet a lot of HS values are inaccurate because people didn't bother to input them, or started on a slower HS and didn't use the full score entry page on later plays at a higher HS. I know I didn't on a lot of songs on L7.
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post Feb 13 2015, 02:26 AM
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Maybe I should just rephrase what i'm saying.

*clicks on Calcutta in 3rd Style*
*clicks on Speed setting, notices HS settings reflect what is available in 3rd style*
*clicks on Gauge, notices options that are not available in 3rd style*

If they're able to keep the HS setting consistent with each style, what's so difficult about removing Gauge options from the dropdown menu for earlier styles during score entry?


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