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![]() Rising in the Sun ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 267 Joined: 25-February 04 ![]() |
Hi.
I haven't been here in some time because I've gone off the deep end and haven't booted up my PS2 IIDXs in probably at least a year, as I have played LR2 the entire time since then. Recently, I accidentally discovered how to activate Extra Mode in the game and lo-and-behold it gives old songs new life and fundamentally gives Another charts to songs which never had them - which is particularly nice for Double players. Unfortunately, the only record saved from playing songs in Extra Mode is the clear status. The score is totally lost. I initially considered keeping a text file to keep my own records but I found myself wishing that there was a tracker like S3 here to do the job much more elegantly. A cursory web search reveals no score tracker which is made for Extra Mode. What I propose would be for Extra Mode to basically be a totally segregated pool of charts which would have no bearing on statistics such as the DJ Point totals and the avatar graphic widget and so on. As the scores cannot be saved in the program (not to mention that timing settings can be changed by altering the BMS files), Extra Mode scores would have to be considered to be made on a totally voluntary basis and be exempt from any requisite of proof or basis to accuse someone of fabricating scores (barring obvious egregiousness). Seeing as how it's an unofficial chart modification found only in a sim program, I would like to think that nobody would want to post bullshit scores. Yes, it's outside of the scope of the console games, but I figured that maybe now is as good of a time as any to give new motivation for people to play and post scores. If this is entertained, I volunteer to supply note counts for the charts (at least the 14key charts). Thanks. |
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![]() INFERNO ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 14,907 Joined: 22-May 04 From: Melbourne, Australia ![]() DJ Battle This User View User Page Pop'n Battle This User ![]() |
What is Extra Mode?
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![]() The Shadow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,459 Joined: 11-March 09 From: Albany ![]() DJ Battle This User ![]() |
basically LR2 throws all BG notes into the regular chart making a new chart on the fly
on some songs (like all pre 4th style) is useless while on others is stupid (waxing, earth like planet) -------------------- QUOTE Sound/kors k The super director L.E.D., said "I like American-based resorts", and felt that there wasn't enough black music and told me to fix that. ![]() |
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![]() Rising in the Sun ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 267 Joined: 25-February 04 ![]() |
Right, and on yet others it gives the song just the extra kick it needs to make it more interesting to play without it becoming too difficult.
Enjoy Your Life H14 and Oosanbashi H14 are two off the top of my head that are much improved with Extra Mode. I'm the most interested in finding charts like that, but I would also like to post scores on the retarded charts just to see where I would stand versus anyone else. I'd love to see the reactions other players would have for songs like Cyber Force or basically any Ryu* song. |
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![]() Rising in the Sun ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 267 Joined: 25-February 04 ![]() |
Well, anyway, the main reason why I asked is because the only other option I have is to keep a text file of my own personal records. I don't know of any Japanese tracker site for this.
Just to give an example of the kinds of charts I've encountered, here's some lines from my log file: (can't seem to get the tabs to line up well, sorry) CODE ex pgr gr go b p p/f nc onc %+ date 19 november 1716 0623 0470 0063 0014 0096 F 1223 1045 017.03 2011-10-18T01:25:21:102Z 9 o'clocks 1366 0548 0270 0023 0001 0009 P 0846 0632 033.86 2011-10-17T01:21:09:974Z be rock u 1498 0606 0286 0022 0007 0036 P 0942 0691 036.32 2011-10-18T02:10:05:566Z blame 1938 0725 0488 0154 0049 0194 F 1520 1105 037.55 2011-10-18T02:01:39:366Z breeding 1579 0643 0293 0044 0015 0041 P 1012 0732 038.25 2011-10-18T02:15:04:605Z come with me 1430 0561 0308 0031 0007 0040 P 0930 0686 035.56 2011-10-18T01:04:44:336Z conga 1581 0652 0277 0044 0007 0069 P 1023 0708 044.49 2011-10-18T00:52:41:655Z cyber force 2227 0719 0789 0445 0328 0981 F 2817 1081 160.59 20111013 free style 1431 0567 0297 0066 0016 0096 F 1000 0579 072.71 2011-10-16T01:54:02:026Z injection of love 1408 0596 0270 0023 0001 0047 F 0884 0553 059.85 2011-10-17T02:00:37:795Z skyscraper 1429 0555 0319 0045 0014 0101 F 0989 0628 057.48 2011-10-17T00:26:27:795Z treasure x star 2291 0879 0533 0139 0116 0395 F 1840 1021 080.21 2011-10-15T02:42:58:391Z y31 1993 0784 0425 0087 0063 0230 F 1483 1075 037.95 2011-10-18T01:37:36:606Z 大桟橋 (regulspeed) 1362 0571 0220 0024 0004 0030 P 0833 0574 045.12 2011-10-17T01:53:20:743Z (the important column to see is the second to last, which shows the increase of notes in the chart as a percentage of the old chart's notecount) Finding "new charts" and being humbled by songs beyond the usual 12*s is a very wonderful sensation to have after playing for so long. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be the only person who would have that kind of reaction. If it were feasible I'd otherwise be interested in making a mirror of the database functionality to put up my own tracker for this - but I doubt that would go over well, both in terms of being allowed to use this tracker's logic and how relatively few people would use it. |
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![]() excessively entitled ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 5,927 Joined: 28-February 07 From: kjhjkmn, usa ![]() |
can we have score entry for bad touhou songs too
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![]() INFERNO ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 14,907 Joined: 22-May 04 From: Melbourne, Australia ![]() DJ Battle This User View User Page Pop'n Battle This User ![]() |
brb adding freedom dive and gengaozo foon
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![]() betty spaghetti ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,923 Joined: 14-October 07 From: Las Vegas, NV ![]() DJ Battle This User ![]() |
*kingofgroovekaiden*
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![]() Rising in the Sun ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 267 Joined: 25-February 04 ![]() |
can we have score entry for bad touhou songs too lol. If I ever have to play total horseshit like bitterblossom or ほおづきみたいに紅い魂 ever again for the rest of my life, it'll be too soon. Do you always get the same chart every time on extra mode? I'm pretty sure you do, yes. I've replayed a few songs and have had consistent note count totals. There is an extended option set accessible by holding F2 down, and among the options there is something about setting the "level" of Extra Mode charts based on the original chart's count (or so I think). These options do not save and are set to default each time the game starts up - because of this, I keep all my records with whatever results from those default settings. Perhaps what could be done would be to put up a test pool of like 10 songs or something to see if it is feasible and gets good response. |
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![]() The Shadow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,496 Joined: 19-August 11 From: Alberta ![]() |
How do you activate Extra Mode? I didn't see anything about switching it on in the F2 menu.
And does it change normal/hyper charts at all? |
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![]() Rising in the Sun ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 267 Joined: 25-February 04 ![]() |
Hold down Key 2 on the controller while you're in the options menu for setting Hi Speed and Random and the like. When it activates, the background image for the song selection screen with turn photo negative.
Extra Mode does affect Hypers (which is part of the appeal for DP in particular), but I haven't tried it with Normal charts to see if the effect is similar or reduced in comparison. My best guess would be that it would create the same chart. I'll try it tonight. All right, results are in, and the answer is that Extra Mode does change Normal charts in a unique fashion compared to a Hyper or an Another. Observe: CODE ex pgr gr go b p p/f nc onc %+ date alfashear H14 1698 0693 0312 0038 0011 0041 P 1074 1043 002.97 2011-10-20T00:18:05:075Z alfashear N14 1226 0509 0208 0008 0000 0010 P 0733 0548 033.75 2011-10-20T00:21:03:380Z apocalypse A14 1777 0690 0397 0118 0050 0063 P 1294 1270 001.88 2011-10-20T00:24:21:523Z apocalypse N14 1134 0450 0234 0029 0017 0045 F 0764 0480 059.16 2011-10-20T00:27:25:916Z What was particularly striking was that apocalypse N14 threw in a lot of nasty S7 or S17 chords whereas the A14 was barely modified. And every time I replayed a song, I did observe that the note count totals were still consistent. |
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![]() The Shadow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,496 Joined: 19-August 11 From: Alberta ![]() |
Interesting. Thanks for the information.
This should provide significantly more playability beyond just the vanilla charts themselves. Looking forward to trying it out. |
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![]() betty spaghetti ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,923 Joined: 14-October 07 From: Las Vegas, NV ![]() DJ Battle This User ![]() |
So, would this be an example of an Extra Mode chart? http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ig4c_CJsSqs
Cause I sure as fuck would like to know whats going on with these keysounds haha |
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![]() Rising in the Sun ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 267 Joined: 25-February 04 ![]() |
Hah! I guess that would be an example of how dense a chart can possibly get, but technically no that's not the same thing. EX charts will sound no different than whatever chart it is modifying.
Highest note count I've come across so far is Exusia A14. 4507 notes. Biggest increase is Come On H14. 904 to 2640. ---- Well, rather than make a new post I'll just edit this. I have now played through most of the songs in the IIDX library in Extra Mode, and the initial results are in. It seemed evident that playing songs from styles before 4th usually wasn't necessary, so there's some songs that I didn't play from 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Substream. For any given song I played the highest level type of chart available, unless specifically noted in the song title. Total songs played: 919. Clear Status - 15 FC or PC. 344 Passed. 560 Failed. 98 charts were unaltered by Extra Mode. By note count, the Top 10 unaltered charts were: Quantum Teleportation, Hype The Core, Inori, Jelly Kiss Midihead, King of Groove, Ghost Revival, Kakumei, Xenon, Still in my Heart, Nebula Grasper. 32 charts had a note increase of at least 100%. Top 10 charts by highest new note count: Exusia, 4507; Kung Fu Empire B14, 4028; Waxing and Wanding, 3747; Spark Essential Remix, 3596; Raison D'Etre, 3484; Secrets B14, 3098; Mei, 2974; 3y3s, 2956; Cosmos, 2917; The Black Knight, 2874. Top 10 charts by largest increase over original note count: Come On, 192.03%; Cosmos, 188.24%; Spark Essential Remix, 174.71%; Waxing and Wanding, 167.83%; Cyber Force, 160.59%; City Angel, 153.78%; Earth Like Planet, 145.38%; One of a Kind, 139.56%; Blust of Wind, 132.73%; echoes, 130.39%. ---- edit: 20120210 And in other news, after more time with playing through the entire roster, I have encountered a few instances where note counts for a song are in fact dissimilar by a single note. It's happened more than a few times beyond the point where I would consider it error on my part in writing the correct note count down. So in the end I guess it's just as well that this didn't happen. I still consider it a shame regardless because I definitely enjoy the new challenge and I do believe it is helping me continue to improve in skill. |
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Rising in the Sun ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 299 Joined: 31-March 09 From: Melbourne ![]() DJ Battle This User ![]() |
I've been using this mode on some of the lincle/ra songs, the results are pretty funny, liquid crystal girl turned into an 1800 note chordfest
interesting nonetheless and definitely motivation to keep me playing non-bms stuff |
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![]() I♥prat fall ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 6,054 Joined: 24-October 04 ![]() |
whoa never saw this topic
I'd definitely try to support it if I could ever fix my computer -------------------- [21:17:43] <+Jadin> sry I fell asleep making spaghetti
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![]() they keep referring to me as that ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 8,102 Joined: 1-July 05 From: your computer screen ![]() |
Top 10 charts by largest increase over original note count: Come On, 192.03%; Cosmos, 188.24%; Spark Essential Remix, 174.71%; Waxing and Wanding, 167.83%; Cyber Force, 160.59%; City Angel, 153.78%; Earth Like Planet, 145.38%; One of a Kind, 139.56%; Blust of Wind, 132.73%; echoes, 130.39%. I'm surprised Playball from GOLD CS isn't in this list... -------------------- It never ends.
You call it a miracle. Others opt to refer to it by its ORIGINAL NAME |
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