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Posted by: godai Apr 27 2009, 10:34 PM

uh i'm not kidding
either multiple discs, multi layer dvd, different hardware (please god no) or they pick some from the list by some means [can someone think of some other possibility than that?]
but in any case the list is RIDICULOUS.
edit: just moved this text to the top so people see that i am not claiming to know what's going to happen. i put that last possibility in there for a good reason ;D

http://www.konami.jp/bemani/bm2dx/gs/15djt/score/list.html

DJT~DD

Anisakis -somatic mutation type"Forza"-
Blue Rain
Dazzlin' Darlin
Digitank System
MENDES
Ristaccia
THE DEEP STRIKER
Time to Air
Blind Justice ~Torn souls, Hurt Faiths ~
CROSSROAD ~Left Story~
FIRE FIRE
GOLD RUSH
KAMAITACHI
LASER CRUSTER
Second Heaven
snow storm
the shadow
VANESSA
花吹雪 ~ ⅡDX LIMITED ~
零 - ZERO -
ALFARSHEAR 双神威に廻る夢
Apocalypse ~dirge of swans~
CONTRACT
Ganymede
INFERNO
The Dirty of Loudness
waxing and wanding
Zenius -I- vanisher
華蝶風雪
嘆きの樹

HS~10th

Aurora
CaptivAte~浄化~
EDEN
garden
POODLE
rage against usual
SCREAM SQUAD
Scripted Connection⇒ A mix
Scripted Connection⇒ H mix
Scripted Connection⇒ N mix
SigSig
Xepher
月光

AA
ANDROMEDA
D.A.N.C.E.!
GENOCIDE
gigadelic
RED ZONE
The Hope of Tomorrow
Wonder Bullfighter
ピアノ協奏曲第1番”蠍火”
Daisuke
DoLL
HI SCHOOL DREAM
Innocent Walls
Love Is Eternity
Lucy
No.13
One More Lovely
rainbow rainbow
SPACE FIGHT
雪月花

9th~7th

Abyss -The Heavens Remix-
lights
Make A Difference
moon_child
one or eight
quasar
Really Love
Silvia Drive
STAR FIELD
Blame
dissolve
LAB
LOVE IS ORANGE
Monkey Dance
murmur twins
MUSIC TO YOUR HEAD
PLEASE DON'T GO
rainbow flyer
World Wide Love
xenon
合体せよ!ストロングイェーガー!!

A
Marmalade Reverie
Spica
stoic
Tomorrow Perfume
ZERO-ONE
革命

6th以前

BALLAD FOR YOU~想いの雨~
Blueberry Stream
Colors (radio edit)
Frozen Ray (original mix)
G2
NEMESIS
Abyss
outer wall
sync
V
ABSOLUTE
CHECKING YOU OUT
Clione
DXY!
era (step mix)
LOVE WILL・・・
starmine
era (nostalmix)
Holic
LEADING CYBER
Presto
THE SAFARI
.59
Dancin' Into The Night
Electro Tuned(the SubS mix)
I Was The One
gentle stress
THE EARTH LIGHT
5.1.1.
Dr.LOVE
GAMBOL
GRADIUSIC CYBER
R3

Posted by: modarius Apr 27 2009, 10:36 PM

holy fuck. where'd you see this btw?

Posted by: godai Apr 27 2009, 10:38 PM

QUOTE (modarius @ Apr 27 2009, 08:36 PM) *
holy fuck. where'd you see this btw?

in a text file someone transcribed from the iidx's cell phone site after extensive discussion by a bunch of users on purotora about the ridiculousness of the list
text file was 90 minutes after discussion started, i'm preeeety sure it's not a joke based on the number of users there and how nobody was like "lol funny"

Posted by: Skydazer Apr 27 2009, 10:47 PM

what

any changes is fine except for hardware shift but anyway GREAT LIST i hope its real.

Posted by: Sense2007 Apr 27 2009, 10:48 PM

i'm not fully convinced

and i hope this isn't real because cloudy music and route80s are absent whereas songs like gold rush and hanafubuki are not
also, two nagureo songs present....yeah that doesn't make sense!

Posted by: Faker13 Apr 27 2009, 10:49 PM

wow i came
hot picks

Posted by: godai Apr 27 2009, 10:54 PM

QUOTE (Sense2007 @ Apr 27 2009, 08:48 PM) *
i'm not fully convinced

and i hope this isn't real because cloudy music and route80s are absent whereas songs like gold rush and hanafubuki are not
also, two nagureo songs present....yeah that doesn't make sense!


yeah and you don't exist either (as in sense2007 is not on the list, in case you took offense to that)

also hanafubuki is an amazing song

it'll probably show up on the pc site some time soon, hopefully with a little more clarification on what they're going to try to do.

Posted by: itsgreylolol Apr 27 2009, 11:02 PM

Do not believe yet.

Posted by: Sense2007 Apr 27 2009, 11:02 PM

hanafubuki

moast epic song ever!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jadin Apr 27 2009, 11:02 PM

QUOTE (godai @ Apr 27 2009, 09:54 PM) *
also hanafubuki is an amazing song


Posted by: Spiritsnare Apr 27 2009, 11:07 PM

QUOTE (godai @ Apr 27 2009, 08:34 PM) *
Presto
THE SAFARI


quoted for request of a [b] and lol 7th dan respectively

Posted by: Moogy Apr 27 2009, 11:10 PM

Come on PS3.

Or maybe the revivals will all be on their own append disc.

Posted by: itsgreylolol Apr 27 2009, 11:11 PM

I hope this doesn't go PS3

Seriously

Posted by: Moogy Apr 27 2009, 11:19 PM

Also Leading Cyber is fucking badass holy shit it's about time.

Posted by: osrg Apr 27 2009, 11:20 PM

I hope this goes append disc or PS3, I'm not buying a fucking xbox.

Posted by: Sense2007 Apr 27 2009, 11:23 PM

btw @ this entire thread

Posted by: itsgreylolol Apr 27 2009, 11:24 PM

Append disc would be best, XBOX would be ok, wireless controllers? No thanks PS3.

Posted by: Moogy Apr 27 2009, 11:29 PM

The PS3 has USB ports, you know.

Well, append disc is the most likely scenario, imo.

Posted by: itsgreylolol Apr 27 2009, 11:35 PM

Didnt know, dont own one lol

Posted by: osrg Apr 27 2009, 11:42 PM

A little over 120 songs. Possibly a Beatmania IIDX Best Hits? I mean, they fit 100+ on EXTREME with lots of space to spare, and EMPRESS isn't mentioned anywhere here. Godai, was it in the list? Usually the new style is included w/revivals.

Also Grey you own a PS2 and that has USB ports. Usually companies keep things if they work, are cheap, and aren't a bad idea.

Posted by: Shao Apr 27 2009, 11:48 PM

Why would they revive a bunch of songs that were just revived/just put in on DJT (lol Dazzlin' Darlin' revived right after DJT? No way, it's not Mei)? Sure they can be taking scores but I don't think that means shit. They'll probably just take the oldest bunch that haven't been revived in ages (I'd honestly rather see other songs be revived than the shit that's been revived post-HS).

If they do, enjoy buying a new controller or some expensive "no-lag" USB adapter. Konami would really shoot themselves in the foot if they moved it over to new hardware when their controllers don't even work well with the PS3.

PS this looks more like something Schala would post to get people in a hype :| (Thx Schala for showing me, <3 u Krystal)

Posted by: Velius Apr 27 2009, 11:49 PM

Come ooooooooooooooon black anothers!

Posted by: modarius Apr 27 2009, 11:56 PM

yeah im assuming a greatest hits type style. i mean with cs styles catching up with ac they need to do something tongue.gif

Posted by: Skydazer Apr 27 2009, 11:59 PM

happy for the fact that i can play some of the HS songs without the shitty timing window.

Posted by: CoredesatChikai Apr 28 2009, 12:10 AM

If this goes PS3, then that would be the end of CS IIDX for me. I don't buy game systems for one game, even if that game happens to be IIDX. That and I don't have 599 399 US dollars.

Posted by: Milk Chan Apr 28 2009, 12:18 AM

If this is DVD9 all of us that use Swap magic are fucked.

QUOTE ("osrg")
A little over 120 songs. Possibly a Beatmania IIDX Best Hits? I mean, they fit 100+ on EXTREME with lots of space to spare, and EMPRESS isn't mentioned anywhere here.


DDR is also a much smaller game. Notecharts, song lengths, videos, and graphical content all play a huge factor. Most of the more recent (and even some as far as 7th IIRC) push the space on a standard DVD with not even 100 songs (usually 4+ GB game files).

Best hits is most likely but if its 120 songs its definitely pushing disk space.

Posted by: Bartz Apr 28 2009, 12:26 AM

One DVD for new songs and another for revivals? Could be.

Posted by: grayfox9996 Apr 28 2009, 12:34 AM

A Best Hits collection is the only thing that would make sense, if they really DO keep all of those songs.

Unless they really go PS3. Which seems rather silly for the time being. The install base just isn't there - not to mention the 360s, even if that is primarily the "hardcore" console in Japan. Of course, they could be hedging their bets on all of their core players picking up PS3s JUST to continue playing...but I can imagine most people would just play in the arcade more (only considering Japan here, of course, which makes the most sense for Konami to be doing from a business perspective).

Posted by: Taren Apr 28 2009, 12:47 AM

I think they'll end up picking a subset of that list for the release. They can always throw out data, right? This way it stirs up speculation without revealing the final songlist.

And right, how are they going to collect data for Nagureo songs?

Posted by: arttq Apr 28 2009, 12:53 AM

Are those different mixes of scripted connection available at arcade nowadays also?

Posted by: Nihopalaoa Apr 28 2009, 01:19 AM

QUOTE (arttq @ Apr 27 2009, 10:53 PM) *
Are those different mixes of scripted connection available at arcade nowadays also?

yes

i think they've been available since like gold ac

Posted by: CoredesatChikai Apr 28 2009, 01:25 AM

QUOTE (Taren @ Apr 28 2009, 01:47 AM) *
I think they'll end up picking a subset of that list for the release. They can always throw out data, right? This way it stirs up speculation without revealing the final songlist.

And right, how are they going to collect data for Nagureo songs?


Score data from older games, maybe?

Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 01:39 AM

Interesting to see what this will end up being.

Posted by: Krazy Apr 28 2009, 02:04 AM

http://www.konami.jp/bemani/bm2dx/gs/15djt/score/index.html
http://www.konami.jp/bemani/bm2dx/gs/15djt/score/list.html


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

probably PS3, there's almost 200 songs there

Posted by: Sense2007 Apr 28 2009, 02:09 AM

goddammit

Posted by: Zeroblade Apr 28 2009, 02:14 AM

Oh fuck, time to start saving.

Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 02:20 AM

And I was just thinking today about how I was wishing for something to come along that would rekindle my interest in IIDX

It's possible that it could be two separate games or something. The official site is completely lacking in details so it's all speculation though.

Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 02:33 AM

The sheer amount of songs that haven't been on a post-10th style is staggering. World Wide Love? Really Love? lights? Star Field? Space Fight? Lucy? Ballad For You? Era Step Mix? Leading Cyber?

dear god

Posted by: Krazy Apr 28 2009, 02:33 AM

lol there are 32 12*'s, not counting any black charts if there even are any. that's more than 2/3 of what's currently in EMPRESS AC.

Missing ones are

Candy Galy
Concertino in Blue
DUE TOMORROW
FAKE TIME
Fascination MAXX
ICARUS
oratio
PARANOiA ~HADES~
Sense 2007
tripping contact
TROOPERS
電人、暁に斃れる。
カゴノトリ~弐式~
少年A

all of which have been on a post-GOLD interface except 5 (Concertino in Blue, DUE TOMORROW, FAKE TIME, tripping contact, Kagonotori)

Specuutf8g that Vanessa [b] and Kamaitachi [b] will be the Kaiden charts from GOLD and Scripted Connection A-mix [b] will be Scripted Long.

Posted by: Skydazer Apr 28 2009, 02:35 AM

Currently collecting data for EMPRESS CS arcade rival list. I'll see if i can register for it (so my EMPRESS AC data will be visible in CS).

um for the revival list, let me confirm again with my Japanese friend whether is it part it being revived or the entire thing. seems to be the former though.

Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 02:37 AM

QUOTE (Skydazer @ Apr 28 2009, 12:35 AM) *
um for the revival list, let me confirm again with my Japanese friend whether is it part it being revived or the entire thing. seems to be the former though.

Everything on that page are songs that they are accepting score data for. There is no ambiguity on that point.

Posted by: grayfox9996 Apr 28 2009, 02:40 AM

QUOTE (rmz @ Apr 28 2009, 12:20 AM) *
And I was just thinking today about how I was wishing for something to come along that would rekindle my interest in IIDX

It's possible that it could be two separate games or something. The official site is completely lacking in details so it's all speculation though.

I honestly DO hope it's a next gen version, though. Especially if it's all in 720p (or 1080p whatever). So no upscaling. So I'd get little to no lag on my TV. So I could actually play again. I would certainly be happy!

I just hope Konami could make money off of it, so it wouldn't be a one-time "oh shit wait we didn't make a profit SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING."

Posted by: Spiritsnare Apr 28 2009, 02:53 AM

uh they probably made quite a bit of cash on pop'n CS and gfdm CS :<

Posted by: CoredesatChikai Apr 28 2009, 02:54 AM

To be honest, now that I think of it I actually doubt it'd be a PS3 release. Konami has no Bemani games on the PS3 (and I don't think they consider Karaoke Revolution a Bemani game); they're all on the 360. So I guess I'll join those who are guessing either multiple discs or a XBox 360 release.

Or it'll be a single disc PS2 release and all the data will be compressed like no one has ever seen before.

Posted by: spineshark Apr 28 2009, 03:43 AM

I'd prefer PS3 to 360, since I don't have a 360 that plays Japanese games and at least with PS3 there's probably some kind of converter so I wouldn't have to buy a whole controller again, but PS2 is still by far the most preferable.

I'm also hoping this isn't just "take all those songs" because the Troopers and Gold lists kinda suck. 5th seems really sparse, but V lol.

Still, I can't help but be excited, even though seeing anything is sort of dispelling my dreams for Empress CS, which mostly go something like:
D-Crew revivals
RAM revivals
More D-Crew revivals
Awesome CS collabs I'm imagining, and another tkd song
100% minimoo-g [b] , either an awesome chart, or a super joke one cuts to the chase and just features one button plus the turntable.

So yeah, I'm basically completely insane

Posted by: godai Apr 28 2009, 04:19 AM

QUOTE (Skydazer @ Apr 28 2009, 12:35 AM) *
Currently collecting data for EMPRESS CS arcade rival list. I'll see if i can register for it (so my EMPRESS AC data will be visible in CS).

um for the revival list, let me confirm again with my Japanese friend whether is it part it being revived or the entire thing. seems to be the former though.


wow sorry i'm not japanese enough and sorry i didn't explicitly say that it's totally unclear what they're doing.

Posted by: Jadin Apr 28 2009, 04:44 AM

maybe he meant chinese

Posted by: arttq Apr 28 2009, 05:40 AM

http://mp.i-revo.jp/user.php/led/entry/74.html
LED wrote something about this in his blog. I don't think it gives anything specific away.

Posted by: b00geyman Apr 28 2009, 05:41 AM

for the love of god pleeeeeease stay on the ps2~! i dont want to buy a new platform, controller or controller convertor.

about frickenn time they revived Leading Cyber too.

Posted by: Sense2007 Apr 28 2009, 07:38 AM

QUOTE (rmz @ Apr 28 2009, 12:34 AM) *
Do you seriously think that VGTA is lying for a couple scores? Seriously?

I guess not, I mean a couple of years ago he made a AAA+fail video of Please Don't Go [a] so he's probably legit.

mellow.gif

Posted by: osrg Apr 28 2009, 07:55 AM

Still crossing fingers for no xbox, that would be the worst decision for me and for konami.

Posted by: dog$ Apr 28 2009, 09:05 AM

I honestly think this might be for little more than for Empress CS to have an expansive database of scores so that you can match up your records against your rivals for as many songs - and styles - as possible. This might be the game where save data from older games is actually used for something.

They've been pretty good about not reviving new songs in the subsequent game for a while, as doing so would be redundant and (more importantly) cannibalize sales of older games which are still in print.

Moving the game to any other platform would jeapordize the meager sales the games already get, not to mention that there are potential issues with any given choice. If it goes to 360, all current controllers won't be usable (and wouldn't it suck to have a Dao and not be able to use it for CS games from Empress up). If it goes to PS3, nobody will buy it because the PS3 is the deserved laughing stock of this generation. Speaking of which, though

QUOTE (Shao @ Apr 28 2009, 12:48 AM) *
If they do, enjoy buying a new controller or some expensive "no-lag" USB adapter. Konami would really shoot themselves in the foot if they moved it over to new hardware when their controllers don't even work well with the PS3.

I've thought about this before and I don't understand what wouldn't keep them from making some sort of standard USB convertor for PS3 and program the game to adjust for the lag which is inherent from the convertor.

Well, regardless. I don't think this is a song revival list for Empress CS, nor indication that such game will be on any other platform.

Posted by: Skydazer Apr 28 2009, 09:51 AM

QUOTE ("JAPANESE FRIEND OF MINE")
As you guessed, its about the announcement of score collecting

the songs mentioned are possible candidates in CS version

Posted by: dog$ Apr 28 2009, 10:08 AM

I see that I should have written my last sentence with the word "complete" before the phrase "song revival list".

Posted by: UKNaruto Apr 28 2009, 10:16 AM

Come ooooooooon PS3!

At this rate my PS3 won't pay for itself until I'm out of college when FFXIII and KHIII come out (yeah right).

Oh well, brb watchin' Clint Eastwood yell at Koreanz in



Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 10:29 AM

STOP THE PRESSES EVERYBODY

Skydazer's Japanese friend knows more than the rest of us

Konami has never done this "possible candidates" thing before, there is no reason to assume that all of those songs will not be on a game in some form.

Posted by: Mazrim Apr 28 2009, 10:39 AM

A friend of a friend of mine said Konami is creating a bluetooth controller so they can release the game on Wii and PS3!

Posted by: Skydazer Apr 28 2009, 10:58 AM

continue specuutf8g because that website is as ambigious as shit.

other than the fact the score data for these songs will be collected, there's nothing else we know. purotora just updated and they also doubt that amount of songs could be containted in a ps2 dvd and ps3 is a high possibility. They also wondered what happens to the KOC if the platform change is made.

japanese are specuutf8g too.

Posted by: Spiritsnare Apr 28 2009, 11:03 AM

If they developed a better form of compression, I can see that whole list fitting on a DVD9.

Either that, or they cut the 20~40 songs that have the least rival data.

QUOTE (dog date='Apr 28 2009, 07:05 AM) *
I've thought about this before and I don't understand what wouldn't keep them from making some sort of standard USB convertor for PS3 and program the game to adjust for the lag which is inherent from the convertor.


Or this. Also, insert Pop'n blah blah blah blah blah.

Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 11:09 AM

The bonus if it went to PS3 is that PS3s aren't region-locked.

But yes, we will just have to wait and see what happens. Either CS Bemani will die eventually, or it will move on to a newer system. Konami isn't going to be producing PS2 games in 2015.

Posted by: Moogy Apr 28 2009, 11:12 AM

QUOTE (rmz @ Apr 28 2009, 11:09 AM) *
The bonus if it went to PS3 is that PS3s aren't region-locked.

They actually are region-locked; it's just that Japan and USA are both in the same BDROM region. I believe all of Europe is as well.

Sucks for people who live in South America I guess!

Also my Japanese friend (Fungi (extra credible due to being a member of these boards)) says that overthere.png will be a crossover and that Konami will include a pony with the LEs.*

*he did not actually say this

In other words the Japanese fanbase doesn't really know anything more than we do so it doesn't matter. Personally, I think all songs will be included via either append discs or PS3, but that's also just speculation. In the end, we'll just have to wait for some more concrete information from Konami.

Also seriously guys Leading Cyber hell yeah.

Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 11:22 AM

QUOTE
pony

:hell yeah:

Posted by: itsgreylolol Apr 28 2009, 11:52 AM

QUOTE (Spiritsnare @ Apr 28 2009, 11:03 AM) *
Either that, or they cut the 20~40 songs that have the least rival data.


This is what I was thinking, but that sucks, because we'll just get all the songs that are 12s.

Posted by: Schlagwerk Apr 28 2009, 12:22 PM

360 release -> Have to buy a Japanese 360 due to region locking
PS3 release -> Have to buy a PS3 at all, for a single game
Wii release -> HahAHHaHaHAHaHAHAHHAhahahah yeah right
PSP release -> more likely than above

dry.gif

Maybe they'll push storage limits and include more songs than evah before (like DDR EXTREME CS's 111 versus every other DDR CS mix)

Posted by: Moogy Apr 28 2009, 12:25 PM

Don't forget that you have to buy new controllers for 360/PS3 as well!

If it's PS3, they could possibly make an adapter, but I doubt MS would want Sony peripherals being used on their console.

Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 12:26 PM

QUOTE (Schlagwerk @ Apr 28 2009, 10:22 AM) *
PS3 release -> Have to buy a PS3 at all, for a single game

Hey now, there's Valkyria Chronicles. And, uh...Metal Gear Solid 4 if you care. And, uh.........the bonus version of Eternal Sonata.

So it's four. So there. Beating_a_Dead_Horse.gif

Posted by: Morning Blue Apr 28 2009, 12:46 PM

They have to be seperate discs. In the past when they announced song data entry songs they were grouped in the same list as the AC songs.

Still, it's kind of weird how many recent songs they put into the game. It reminds me of 7th style, where half the song list felt like a mini-"best hits" game of various 1st-6th style songs.

Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 12:50 PM

QUOTE (Morning Blue @ Apr 28 2009, 10:46 AM) *
They have to be seperate discs. In the past when they announced song data entry songs they were grouped in the same list as the AC songs.

http://www.konami.jp/bemani/bm2dx/gs/13distorted/score/score_musiclist.html
http://www.konami.jp/bemani/bm2dx/gs/14gold/score/musiclist.html

Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 12:51 PM

OK, I'm going to start splitting off-topic stuff out of here.

Posted by: Toph Apr 28 2009, 12:56 PM

QUOTE (rmz @ Apr 28 2009, 06:29 AM) *
STOP THE PRESSES EVERYBODY

Skydazer's Japanese friend knows more than the rest of us

Konami has never done this "possible candidates" thing before, there is no reason to assume that all of those songs will not be on a game in some form.


Wow you're a sarcastic faggot today.


Anyway, http://www.konami.jp/bemani/bm2dx/gs/15djt/score/list.html Godai you should edit this url into the first post in the thread. Cause it's relevant and all that.

Considering the giant text at the top of the page says "Record your scores for the next house release!" I'm guessing that Skydazer's imaginary japanese friend is on to something.


Edit: Lol splitting off topic stuff. Good shit rmz. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Morning Blue Apr 28 2009, 12:56 PM

*looks at rmz's posts*

Okay I'm stupid. I could've sworn at least ONE of the games did that, though - TROOPERS, at least.

Either way that's a big song list!

Posted by: rmz Apr 28 2009, 12:57 PM

I SENT VGTA A PM ABOUT THE BLAME THREAD so stop posting off-topic shit about it in here thanks

Posted by: Zerstorung Apr 28 2009, 01:19 PM

There are 126 songs on that list. Would that even fit onto an append disc?

My bet is on them just picking the revivals from that list.

Posted by: WILD RIDE Apr 28 2009, 02:11 PM

That's a pretty underwhelming list. Kind of a lot a lot of those songs have been on a style with HS5. Also, where is Little Little Princess, didn't anyone tell them it was the best song in HS? Show HANDSOME JET some respect, jerks.

Posted by: Mazrim Apr 28 2009, 02:13 PM

They're saving it for KONAMI BEST MEMORIAL in 5 years when another half dozen artists kick the bucket.

Posted by: djplaeskool Apr 28 2009, 02:55 PM

Meanwhile, at the Legion of Doom Headquarters, Gorilla Grodd and Black Manta hatch a diabolical scheme to prevent Pop'n Music 15 CS from ever being released...

Posted by: Milk Chan Apr 28 2009, 04:40 PM

greatest sendoff...........

Posted by: godai Apr 28 2009, 05:53 PM

fine i'll edit my post even though i'm never on these forums.

what happened to the days when people actually trusted what i say... that japanese friend sure does know a lot more than me though. i mean it would be kinda weird if what i said was exactly what he said. I shouldn't have that kind of knowledge.

haha Ta2 from purotora so does not say "doubt will fit... ps3 is high possibility"
it roughly says "up until now it was single layer DVD... maybe dual layer DVD? maybe different hardware?"
i love people who think they know what they're talking about, especially if they pretend they know more than me when they don't. It's amusing. That's all.

Posted by: Skydazer Apr 28 2009, 06:43 PM

cmon just trying to help

japanese understand whatever gibberish and shit written on that page better than us who tries to translate line by line and possibly omitting some important stuffs.

Posted by: Putf8umHawke Apr 28 2009, 06:49 PM

A Dual-layer release is likely the option that's going to happen if the song list does indeed stay that massive. Konami were still releasing 5key games for the PSX well into the PS2's life, and it's likely to assume they would have kept releasing them if that branch of the franchise had continued to stay alive. No need to change something that's been working since 3rd style. I wouldn't be surprised that should IIDX remain a viable franchise, in AC and/or CS form, it'll keep getting releases up to -- and possibly beyond -- the time Sony stops producing the PStwo hardware.

Play-Asia is going to sell a boat load of jPStwos this time around.

Posted by: osrg Apr 28 2009, 07:30 PM

QUOTE (Morning Blue @ Apr 28 2009, 01:46 PM) *
Still, it's kind of weird how many recent songs they put into the game. It reminds me of 7th style, where half the song list felt like a mini-"best hits" game of various 1st-6th style songs.


That sounds a lot like GF/DM V, V2, and V3 CS, in addition to the masterpiece games. V3 was a great sendoff....

pop'n FEVER was not. Bring out Adventure and we'll have a deal konami.

Posted by: WILD RIDE Apr 28 2009, 07:54 PM

I dunno, I thought the Vs had pretty standard revival lists.

Posted by: osrg Apr 28 2009, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ Apr 28 2009, 08:54 PM) *
I dunno, I thought the Vs had pretty standard revival lists.


I felt like they were all really significant songs though, not weird crap that not many people play like BALLAD FOR YOU in IIDX or ONDO in pop'n

Posted by: Oogami Apr 28 2009, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Skydazer @ Apr 28 2009, 07:43 PM) *
cmon just trying to help

japanese understand whatever gibberish and shit written on that page better than us who tries to translate line by line and possibly omitting some important stuffs.

Yes, but godai's point is that he *is* Japanese and a native Japanese speaker. I'd be a bit upset if I were him, too.

Posted by: WILD RIDE Apr 28 2009, 09:10 PM

FLY HIGH
SKY HIGH
CUZ YOU ARE MY ANGEL~

Posted by: Catastrophe Apr 28 2009, 09:38 PM

For what it's worth:

4200 MB / 95 songs = 44.2 MB/song, the absolute limit, and Bad Routine lost its video because it was that close

7400 MB / 180 songs = 41.1 MB/song, yeah right, unless tons of videos are lost

It'll never fit on any type of DVD. It's either 2 discs (possibly two separate SKUs) or next gen. Next gen would suck.
* PS3 - I don't want one, and it can be region locked. You can program a Japanese disc can not to boot on a North American PS3.
* 360 - I want one, but not a JP one. Although a USB converter should work.
* Wii - I don't want a second one. Although a device that maps the PS2's 'pins' to the GCN's 'pins' would work if Konami included a driver in the game software. (Fuck it. Build a new controller.)

I'm guessing that they're going to use this as a sort of poll to see which songs get revived. Whichever songs people actually play will be the ones they revive maybe? That, or they'll finally implement a feature that interacts with your save files from the 13 previous games.

Posted by: osrg Apr 28 2009, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (Catastrophe @ Apr 28 2009, 10:38 PM) *
For what it's worth:

4200 MB / 95 songs = 44.2 MB/song, the absolute limit, and Bad Routine lost its video because it was that close

7400 MB / 180 songs = 41.1 MB/song, yeah right, unless tons of videos are lost

It'll never fit on any type of DVD. It's either 2 discs (possibly two separate SKUs) or next gen. Next gen would suck.
* PS3 - I don't want one, and it can be region locked. You can program a Japanese disc can not to boot on a North American PS3.
* 360 - I want one, but not a JP one. Although a USB converter should work.
* Wii - I don't want a second one. Although a device that maps the PS2's 'pins' to the GCN's 'pins' would work if Konami included a driver in the game software. (Fuck it. Build a new controller.)

I'm guessing that they're going to use this as a sort of poll to see which songs get revived. Whichever songs people actually play will be the ones they revive maybe? That, or they'll finally implement a feature that interacts with your save files from the 13 previous games.


Bad Routine was missing it's video in 8th Style IIRC.

Posted by: dog$ Apr 28 2009, 10:54 PM

QUOTE (Catastrophe @ Apr 28 2009, 10:38 PM) *
* 360 - I want one, but not a JP one. Although a USB converter should work.
Work with what?

Have you noticed how draconian Microsoft is acting in regards to controllers this generation? They would never let Konami make a USB convertor to allow a Sony product to work on their system.

Hell, regardless, if it comes to 360 that's finally what would convince me to get one of the damned things even though it would break in 18 months. Hooray for Cave shooters.


Posted by: Krazy Apr 28 2009, 11:02 PM

QUOTE (Catastrophe @ Apr 28 2009, 10:38 PM) *
I'm guessing that they're going to use this as a sort of poll to see which songs get revived. Whichever songs people actually play will be the ones they revive maybe? That, or they'll finally implement a feature that interacts with your save files from the 13 previous games.


This is an interesting point, but if they were really doing either of those things, why wouldn't they just open score data retrieval to all songs on Empress that could possibly be revived, instead of a select few? If they really wanted to have a 'contest' to see what is most played and should be revived, they should have just opened the list to anything except licenses.

Another alternative is that maybe they actually already know exactly what ~20 songs they actually plan on reviving, and they just published a list with a lot of fake songs and the real songs, to get people to pay more $$$$$ and play more EMPRESS to have scores on absolutely everything, even though a lot won't actually matter.

Posted by: rmz Apr 29 2009, 12:12 AM

I had thought about that, but given how apologetic Konami gets when they have to cut any songs at all, and given how there are no disclaimers about "note: only a select few of these songs will actually get included" or anything, I would be very surprised if it was anything other than a full list.

But, speculation, as always.

Posted by: Taren Apr 29 2009, 12:22 AM

Here's what I think.

What was the last DDR on PS1? 5th mix.
What did 5th mix have on it? Data bank.

What is being collected for IIDX? Scores.
What will be significant on FMPRESS? Score data bank for a shit ton of old songs, and it will be succeeded by a nextgen release.

speculatespeculatespeculatespeculate

Posted by: Fungi Apr 29 2009, 01:49 AM

HALT

Ponies.

You may proceed... oh and LED mentions that CSEMP, in one word, is festival/festivities/party/JAM so it is possibly a grand finale for PS2 IIDX </speculate>

Posted by: Gorrum Apr 29 2009, 02:35 AM

Wait a second, Bad Routine had a video? Its like Yesterday having a video and overlay. Makes me realize how very little I play pre-9th. Of course, I play with videos off to get rid of video lag, or when Blocks decides to eye lance me.

Godai, I still trust you, what a crazy asian.

Posted by: Spiritsnare Apr 29 2009, 02:56 AM

QUOTE (Taren @ Apr 28 2009, 10:22 PM) *
Here's what I think.

What was the last DDR on PS1? 5th mix.
What did 5th mix have on it? Data bank.

What is being collected for IIDX? Scores.
What will be significant on FMPRESS? Score data bank for a shit ton of old songs, and it will be succeeded by a nextgen release.

speculatespeculatespeculatespeculate


Not a bad idea, assuming it can export to USB, which would not require an adapter like a PS2 memcard would.

QUOTE (Fungi @ Apr 28 2009, 11:49 PM) *
You may proceed... oh and LED mentions that CSEMP, in one word, is festival/festivities/party/JAM so it is possibly a grand finale for PS2 IIDX </speculate>


DDR FESTIVAL aka EXTREME US crossovers
a healthy amount of pop'n music 16 PARTY crossovers
confirmation of [JAM] HypArcSin(x) / Naya~n

y/n

Posted by: CG ZiO Apr 29 2009, 10:59 AM

Wow no ICARUS or oratio what the fuck

Posted by: modarius Apr 29 2009, 11:31 AM

QUOTE (CG ZiO @ Apr 29 2009, 10:59 AM) *
Wow no ICARUS or oratio what the fuck


yeah what a shame right

Posted by: t7r alterative Apr 30 2009, 12:51 AM

Where are songs like DANCER and Distress?

Posted by: modarius Apr 30 2009, 12:55 AM

im surprised b4u isn't on the list

Posted by: Faker13 Apr 30 2009, 05:30 AM

thank god we got blame

Posted by: grayfox9996 Apr 30 2009, 01:56 PM

I just realized that this year is the 10th anniversary of IIDX. Maybe the "festival" thing from LED's blog has something to do with that?

Posted by: CoredesatChikai May 1 2009, 02:47 AM

QUOTE (grayfox9996 @ Apr 30 2009, 02:56 PM) *
I just realized that this year is the 10th anniversary of IIDX. Maybe the "festival" thing from LED's blog has something to do with that?


If that were the case then it would almost have to mean a multiple-disc set.

Posted by: Trip Machina May 1 2009, 05:13 AM

I'd say that if that were the true full songlist, Konami would release the game on Dual-Layered DVD9. I must say that I doubt that they revealed the complete songlist for EMPRESS CS...it's not usual for them to release such a thing THIS early. I also doubt that it will be a PS3 release.

Posted by: Moogy May 1 2009, 05:41 PM

If this is the full songlist, it won't fit on a DVD9, even assuming that every song uses the minimum amount of space.

Posted by: rmz May 1 2009, 05:55 PM

The only way that they could make it fit on a DVD9 is if they axed tons of the videos. And I can't really seem them doing that. Maybe for the old songs?

I'm also curious what else will be on there -- keep in mind that this is just the "score data trial" list so there might even be more revivals on there -- things that aren't on AC EMP. Not to mention CS songs and such. Scary to think about the total song count, though.

Posted by: Schlagwerk May 1 2009, 06:25 PM

Maybe Konami developed a new method of storing data for their games that takes up less space...
</wild speculation>

Posted by: Zeroblade May 2 2009, 12:12 PM

Or they went and lowered the sound quality so much that the songs fit.

Posted by: chickensnack May 2 2009, 01:23 PM

MAYBE the game will come with like an 8gig usb thumbdrive that you put in the ps2 usb port ALSO ALL THE REVIVALS WILL BE DLC THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO BUY ON YOUR PC ALA BEMOUSE

Posted by: Spiritsnare May 2 2009, 01:38 PM

also like be-mouse they won't have Anothers ffffffffffffffff

Posted by: Fungi May 2 2009, 05:02 PM

It will be high quality audio and video, just not keysounded. 8)

Posted by: b00geyman May 2 2009, 06:34 PM

if all the videos were removed from that entire revival list would they then be able to fit on one disc?

Posted by: Sense2007 May 2 2009, 07:54 PM

QUOTE (b00geyman @ May 2 2009, 04:34 PM) *
if all the pointless songs were removed from that entire revival list would they then be able to fit on one disc?


yeah :|

Posted by: osrg May 2 2009, 07:59 PM

So all we need is the EMPRESS songs? Good, because honestly the only song in the revival list that desperately needs revival is CYO.

Posted by: Morning Blue May 2 2009, 08:00 PM

They should just remove all the TROOPERS songs and all the revivals that have appeared since HAPPY SKY; then we would have plenty of space. Did we really need the entire Cardinal Gate series to return? And yet another appearance of V and Absolute?

It's like the exact opposite of what pop'n 14 FEVER CS did.

Posted by: chickensnack May 2 2009, 09:11 PM

YES WE NEED THEM ALL IF THEY'RE GETTING BLACK ANOTHERS mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Posted by: WILD RIDE May 3 2009, 12:01 AM

QUOTE (Morning Blue @ May 2 2009, 09:00 PM) *
yet another appearance of V and


That's about the only GOOD thing about the list.

Posted by: itsgreylolol May 3 2009, 12:19 AM

Really, they just need to cut anything from Red and newer.

Posted by: Morning Blue May 3 2009, 03:17 AM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ May 3 2009, 12:01 AM) *
That's about the only GOOD thing about the list.


I couldn't disagree anymore with this statement if I tried. Granted, most of the revival list is pretty lame (The Safari ugh), but still...you think that overexposed "classic" is a bigger deal than Make A Difference or Music to Your Head?

Personally I'm happy they're reviving R3, Gradiusic Cyber, Leading Cyber, LOVE WILL.., Abyss, Blame, World Wide Love, The Strong Jaegar, One or Eight, Star Field, and rainbow rainbow once again. I'm even looking forward to DoLL since I've never played 10th style. And Sudden+ makes Checking You Out finally playable!

I'm just glad that they didn't revive stuff like Still in My Heart or Destiny.

Posted by: Snapps May 3 2009, 03:20 AM

i honestly would have liked destiny and d2r to be on this

:/

Posted by: Morning Blue May 3 2009, 03:23 AM

D2R would have been cool. So would've B4U and Celebrate Nite.

Posted by: Xythar May 3 2009, 08:03 AM

So do you guys just expect IIDX to stay on the PS2 forever? You're probably gonna want to get a new console eventually anyway, and there are distinct advantages to it moving to PS3 or 360. Stuff like being able to play the game in HD, on a HDTV and not have the upscale delay lagging it all to hell is pretty high on my list of Things That Would Be Cool. Not to mention online play and having all your scores automatically uploaded to the e-amuse leaderboards that are also integrated with scores from the arcade, although that might be wishful thinking. Plus, having lots of songs on the same disc, not to mention DLC (again, very wishful and unlikely thinking, but at least it would be possible).

There are a lot of good reasons for IIDX to finally make the move to a current gen console.

Posted by: b00geyman May 3 2009, 08:08 AM

yes, but not yet.

i have no money.

Posted by: Smbu May 3 2009, 08:16 AM

QUOTE (Xythar @ May 3 2009, 08:03 AM) *
So do you guys just expect IIDX to stay on the PS2 forever? You're probably gonna want to get a new console eventually anyway, and there are distinct advantages to it moving to PS3 or 360. Stuff like being able to play the game in HD, on a HDTV and not have the upscale delay lagging it all to hell is pretty high on my list of Things That Would Be Cool. Not to mention online play and having all your scores automatically uploaded to the e-amuse leaderboards that are also integrated with scores from the arcade, although that might be wishful thinking. Plus, having lots of songs on the same disc, not to mention DLC (again, very wishful and unlikely thinking, but at least it would be possible).

There are a lot of good reasons for IIDX to finally make the move to a current gen console.


Those are good reasons, but there are also bad reasons as well. For example, everybody's home iidx controllers becoming useless to use on the new system (most likely). Though I do have a PS2 HRAP 2 SA joystick connected to my 360 with an xfps adapter (though it was expensive). Not sure about the PS3 as I don't have one.

Then there's always the "people don't own the system" problem. The 360 and PS3 don't make up a majority of the console gamers out there (unlike the PS2 which dominated last gen). Unless Konami made the game multi-plat, which I don't think they would for a niche game like iidx, would alienate a majority of their already niche audience.

If iidx came out for the 360, I would probably buy it (if I could get my controller working with it), but if it came out on the PS3 then it would be a loooooooong time before I would think about getting it as I don't really need/want a PS3.


Konami could already make the PS2 versions of the games hd compatible if they wanted. There are other companies who have made PS2 games hd compatible, most at 480p and/or widescreen and even a few at 1080i! (e.g. Gran Turismo 4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HD_Enhanced_PS2_games

Posted by: WILD RIDE May 3 2009, 11:37 AM

Unless it's free, DLC couldn't possibly be a good thing. And isn't that kind of thing region locked anyway?

Posted by: Jadin May 3 2009, 12:04 PM

if Microsoft gave me $20m I'd make my 'content' exclusive too, know what I'm sayin

Posted by: Milk Chan May 3 2009, 12:59 PM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ May 3 2009, 09:37 AM) *
Unless it's free, DLC couldn't possibly be a good thing. And isn't that kind of thing region locked anyway?


No you just need an account for that region.

Posted by: osrg May 3 2009, 01:03 PM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ May 3 2009, 12:37 PM) *
Unless it's free, DLC couldn't possibly be a good thing.


QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ May 3 2009, 12:37 PM) *
Unless it's free, DLC couldn't possibly be a good thing.


QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ May 3 2009, 12:37 PM) *
Unless it's free, DLC couldn't possibly be a good thing.


You are right on the mark, my friend.

Posted by: Sense2007 May 3 2009, 01:38 PM

QUOTE (Morning Blue @ May 3 2009, 01:17 AM) *
I'm just glad that they didn't revive stuff like Still in My Heart or Destiny.

still in my heart [a] has nageki rolls, i'd rather have that on the revival list than I was the one

Posted by: Xythar May 3 2009, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ May 3 2009, 11:37 AM) *
Unless it's free, DLC couldn't possibly be a good thing. And isn't that kind of thing region locked anyway?


How could new songs possibly not be a good thing? I don't see you saying "unless they give it away for free, Empress CS couldn't possibly be a good thing"

Posted by: WILD RIDE May 3 2009, 05:00 PM

Hey guys, no CS songs this time around, but COOL there's this new pack of 5 songs up for download and it's only ¥1,000!

Posted by: Xythar May 3 2009, 05:27 PM

Well gee I guess the release of Empress CS is bad news because they could put only 30 arcade songs on it, no DLC, and charge $80.

Posted by: Sense2007 May 3 2009, 05:28 PM

I hope V is a DLC-only song.

Posted by: Xythar May 3 2009, 06:07 PM

I mean DLC for new songs, not existing songs or songs we should get anyway. Rock Band should show that getting steady new DLC is awesome (probably wouldn't actually happen but like I said, wishful thinking) Obviously, any technology can be misused.

Posted by: osrg May 3 2009, 07:23 PM

QUOTE (Xythar @ May 3 2009, 05:56 PM) *
How could new songs possibly not be a good thing? I don't see you saying "unless they give it away for free, Empress CS couldn't possibly be a good thing"


DLC is the reason why Rock Band is a terrible tournament game, and hacking is why ITG tournaments have to be strictly regulated (which is arguably the same thing). It breaks the competitive nature of the game and turns it into something that forces more casual play (thanks to competitive gamers not being able to buy all DLCs and not knowing every single chart like the back of their hand) ruining tournament gameplay. Why do we not see game-altering (as in not SF4 costumes, but new characters or revisions) pay-for-use DLC on fighters? Because IT BREAKS THE GAME. Then you have to go through the trouble of saying every DLC song will be on the game, or this or that one will be on, and because people don't want to have their money wasted, they'll push for more DLC songs in tournaments which will give players without that extra $10 for whatever songs a disadvantage in a tournament.

In short, DLC breaks competitive play and it shouldn't exist in competitive music games or fighters if it alters that competitive play in any way. I'm sure BBH and other fighter buffs would agree from the fighter standpoint as well.

Posted by: Xythar May 3 2009, 07:51 PM

What's this, people playing Sakura in a tournament? I don't have 8th Style, YOU DIDN'T TELL ME I'D NEED TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY ON GAMES TO COMPETE mad.gif

I've got a fairly simple solution - qualifiers must be songs that everyone has. For individual matches, both people must have the song in question to compete on it. Is that so hard?

Or just forbid all DLC if you must, then you're pretty much in the same situation as if the DLC never came out in the first place. Don't deny me cool things just because other people needlessly bitch about them.

Posted by: osrg May 3 2009, 08:02 PM

DLC seems like it would cause the needless bitching in the first place. Regardless, I wouldn't allow DLC at a tournament. It just gives people that chance to complain that they have spent $X on song Y and now they can't use song Y in tournament Z. I'd rather Konami not go down that route at all. I don't like the idea of paying for DLC because Konami or whatever company should have just included it in the game in the first place; I'm pretty sure all the DLC songs for Rock Band or Rock Band 2 could fit on a Blu-Ray (and probably should have), but then what do the 360 users get (opening a whole new bag of goldfish)? It's just bad management and planning by companies and they decide to make a buck off of their mistakes and oversights.

Posted by: Xythar May 3 2009, 08:04 PM

QUOTE (osrg @ May 3 2009, 09:02 PM) *
I don't like the idea of paying for DLC because Konami or whatever company should have just included it in the game in the first place; I'm pretty sure all the DLC songs for Rock Band or Rock Band 2 could fit on a Blu-Ray (and probably should have), but then what do the 360 users get? It's just bad management and planning by companies and they decide to make a buck off of their mistakes and oversights.


...

There are over 500 downloadable songs available for Rock Band. Generally Harmonix works flat out every week to license new songs, chart them and provide them to users to purchase online. Over the last month or so we've seen three entire, full length albums released with full charting for every track.

You were really expecting Harmonix to license and chart 500 songs and put them on the Rock Band 2 disc for $60 and somehow complete all this work before the game was released?

Seriously, get a clue.

Posted by: Rowen of the Strata May 3 2009, 09:53 PM

Actually, RB hit 666 songs last week. So yeah, if anyone really expects that many songs on one game, especially a game meant to be multiplatform, that's a little dumb.

I mean, yeah, you said "over 500" but it's even more than that. The amount of work they put into dlc is ridiculous.

Posted by: Catastrophe May 3 2009, 11:04 PM

QUOTE (Xythar @ May 3 2009, 09:03 AM) *
So do you guys just expect IIDX to stay on the PS2 forever? You're probably gonna want to get a new console eventually anyway, and there are distinct advantages to it moving to PS3 or 360. Stuff like being able to play the game in HD, on a HDTV and not have the upscale delay lagging it all to hell is pretty high on my list of Things That Would Be Cool. Not to mention online play and having all your scores automatically uploaded to the e-amuse leaderboards that are also integrated with scores from the arcade, although that might be wishful thinking. Plus, having lots of songs on the same disc, not to mention DLC (again, very wishful and unlikely thinking, but at least it would be possible).


Okay sure, it does have to go next-gen someday. But when they do, the only platform I see mattering is the 360. All 3 home consoles can run IIDX no problem. (Upscale delay lagging what? The software will just work.) And all 3 consoles would have a wired controller. The only thing that matters between consoles is that Live kicks the shit out Home and friend codes. Other than that all 3 consoles are equal to me.

Posted by: Xythar May 3 2009, 11:05 PM

QUOTE (Rowen of the Strata @ May 3 2009, 09:53 PM) *
Actually, RB hit 666 songs last week. So yeah, if anyone really expects that many songs on one game, especially a game meant to be multiplatform, that's a little dumb.

I mean, yeah, you said "over 500" but it's even more than that. The amount of work they put into dlc is ridiculous.


Well, I subtracted the total disc songs (since I figured it included those) from that figure and got a little over 500.

QUOTE (Catastrophe @ May 3 2009, 11:04 PM) *
Okay sure, it does have to go next-gen someday. But when they do, the only platform I see mattering is the 360. All 3 home consoles can run IIDX no problem. (Upscale delay lagging what? The software will just work.) And all 3 consoles would have a wired controller. The only thing that matters between consoles is that Live kicks the shit out Home and friend codes. Other than that all 3 consoles are equal to me.


Given the choice I would probably prefer PSN since Live's advantages are mostly in the realms of scheduling online matches and stuff - PSN can maintain leaderboards just as well, and it's free. (Of course this would depend on what they intend to do with it). Actually, a more pressing concern is whether it would be region locked if it went to 360. That would suck for a lot of people, I'm sure.

Posted by: dog$ May 4 2009, 04:07 AM

DLC is what makes Rock Band a better game than Guitar Hero. It lets you decide which songs you want and don't want. It maintains more publicity and a continual interest in the game because there's something new every week. Discussion about new IIDX material (and therefore IIDX itself) comes roughly every quater of the year, between new AC and CS releases - discussion about Rock Band happens throughout the year.

DLC is also the smartest way for a company to exploit their customers since it offers incremental additional content over the course of time rather than appearing as a new $60 game every 6 months. People bitch about how many Guitar Hero games are out and being made because it seems like Actiblizzard is churning them out as quick as they can, much in the same way they did with Tony Hawk. Even though the total songbase between RB and GH is probably about equal now if not there being more songs in GH, people think RB is the better deal because there are only 2 Rock Band games compared to 7 Guitar Hero games. If Konami had a RB system where all available IIDX songs were on a central database for players to download, you better believe I'd get as many songs as I want, regardless of me having all the PS2 IIDXs.

Out of all the reasons I've ever seen people complain about DLC in a music game, this "killing tournament" effect is something I have never heard before or expected, and it's really quite laughable.

If I'm going to host a SF4 tournament and someone comes crying to me how he can't use Rose or has to face Rose for the first time because he never came across the character before, my reply would be "tough shit" and instruct them to either deal with it or quit. I don't forsee there being many people who are tournament-quality players who don't have as much content of the game as they possibly can possess. As far as I'm concerned, if you're at a tournament and crying about how things in the game aren't exactly as you have them when you play at your house, you're probably going to lose the tournament anyway - particularly to someone who has all the content or is able to adapt to the situation. More importantly, I don't see why this should be the developer's or publisher's concern - the arcade operator or tournament host should decide how a tournament runs. I can't imagine anyone at Konami saying "Well, we could offer IIDX songs for DLC ... but then the tournaments, which make absolutely zero impact on our sales, would get all fucked up, so we probably shouldn't after all." Why would they care?

Posted by: BBH May 4 2009, 05:53 AM

QUOTE (dog$ @ May 4 2009, 02:07 AM) *
If I'm going to host a SF4 tournament and someone comes crying to me how he can't use Rose or has to face Rose for the first time because he never came across the character before, my reply would be "tough shit" and instruct them to either deal with it or quit.


Rose isn't DLC though, anyone can unlock her by playing through arcade mode. The console version of SF4 has pretty much been accepted as the "standard" anyway since there aren't many arcades with it in the US, and all the console characters are fair game. Some tournaments have banned Seth and Gouken (which is really silly since Gouken isn't all that good, Seth is debatable), but others have allowed them. EVO in particular is allowing all the characters this year. Again though, all these characters are unlockable normally in the home version without DLC. If an arcade-only player has problems with not playing as or against any of the console characters, well it's their fault for entering a console tournament without playing that version of the game.

There has been precedent for people banning non-DLC characters that were exclusive to the home version... KOF XI comes to mind. Some tournaments had banned all the console-only characters since they weren't in arcade, but this was particularly silly in the US since it was definitely a game that didn't have all that much distribution in the US, so console should have been standard. Especially seeing how none of the console characters could touch Gato on his throne.

The only fighting game I can think of with a DLC character is Soul Calibur 4 (Darth Vader / Yoda), and they're apparently allowed at EVO this year.

Posted by: Schlagwerk May 4 2009, 12:15 PM

Music games are purely driven by content. Since the gameplay experience is so streamline and rarely shows variation between game versions (especially with Japanese games) the only thing that defines them is having new songs to play all the time. RB2 has done two amazing things that no other music game has done: Allowed for importing of old songs from other RB releases; Giving a way to distribute extra content in between major releases
The only way DLC is bad for a music game is if it is overpriced and/or it causes them to cut down on the initial number of songs in the physical releases

Konami still needs to release Beatmania The Final for PS2 before going next gen IMO

Posted by: Moogy May 4 2009, 12:25 PM

QUOTE (Schlagwerk @ May 4 2009, 12:15 PM) *
Konami still needs to release Beatmania The Final for PS2 before going next gen IMO

No need. They can just put all of The Final's songs on Empress CS!

Posted by: Toph May 4 2009, 01:04 PM

Two things:

Unique characters in multi-platform fighting games are a very, very bad idea, yes.

Downloadable content in music games is not a bad idea. You're also kidding yourself if you think IIDX is a tournament game. And by that, I don't mean that IIDX isn't a competitive game, I mean it's not a tournament game. For that matter, you're also wrong if you think DLC would ruin a music game tournament; I'd love to play in a sightread BMS tournament if those existed. But IIDX isn't even a very good tournament game in the first place.

Posted by: Klonoa May 4 2009, 03:23 PM

this game killed vjarmy :<
oh cruel empress

Posted by: WILD RIDE May 4 2009, 03:44 PM

We all know how much Remy hates purple.

Posted by: Krazy May 4 2009, 10:16 PM

to be honest

I don't really like download content in games. Actually, I'm completely against it but I don't really have any good reasons. I just feel really cheapened having to pay for more content once I've already bought the game. I feel like it's taking the gaming industry in a direction I don't like... or something

but I don't even own any next gen consoles so what do I know.

Posted by: dog$ May 4 2009, 10:40 PM

Paying for newly developed content = OK (this is same as buying the game off of the shelf; only difference is in how its packaged)

Paying for 108KB keyfiles to unlock shit on the disc = Not OK (i.e. Namco's current-generation business model)

Paying for server maintenance = Justifiable (even if I personally don't support it, this is what feels like renting a game that I already have supposedly purchased; but regardless, money required to keep servers afloat has to come from somewhere)

Posted by: Catastrophe May 4 2009, 10:57 PM

QUOTE (Schlagwerk @ May 4 2009, 01:15 PM) *
Music games are purely driven by content. Since the gameplay experience is so streamline and rarely shows variation between game versions (especially with Japanese games) the only thing that defines them is having new songs to play all the time. RB2 has done two amazing things that no other music game has done: Allowed for importing of old songs from other RB releases; Giving a way to distribute extra content in between major releases
The only way DLC is bad for a music game is if it is overpriced and/or it causes them to cut down on the initial number of songs in the physical releases

Konami still needs to release Beatmania The Final for PS2 before going next gen IMO

Depending on which hair you want to split: O2Jam or Ultramix. Both games charged $1 per song. But otherwise yeah.

Ultramix 2-4 actually had to pay for keyfiles that unlocked on-disc content. Because the DLC for UM1 was on the disc for UM2, and the DLC for both UM1 and UM2 was on the disc for UM3, etc. But it was once legit DLC. But then again, the original XBox was kind of messed up because Microsoft wouldn't let Konami break the rule where one game can't read another game's crap on the hard drive. So then if you bought song pack 1 from UM3, you could play it in UM3 or 4, but not 1 or 2. So you ended up with different keyfiles for... it was retarded. But you could import more songs into UM4 than there were in UM4. Which was pretty cool for last-gen.

For what it's worth, I don't like DLC either. It just doesn't feel right. But I will buy entire digital games. If Konami were to sell a $60 piece of DLC for DJT called 'upgrade to 16' that contained 90 new songs, a new skin, and new courses, I'd buy that. Of course, if they go through that much trouble, they might as well just ship a new executable too so that you get all new modifiers and modes....

EDIT: Actually wait a sec. Both DJT AC and SN2 AC shipped with fewer than 40 new songs. (35 and 38, if you're a trivia buff.) And both games had 15-20 other songs locked so that you'd come back to the game two and 4 months later. If Konami wanted to do something like that on a console game, I'd be fine with it, as long as there was some major eamuse-like feature to justify it.

Posted by: Milk Chan May 5 2009, 02:03 AM

QUOTE (Catastrophe @ May 4 2009, 08:57 PM) *
EDIT: Actually wait a sec. Both DJT AC and SN2 AC shipped with fewer than 40 new songs. (35 and 38, if you're a trivia buff.) And both games had 15-20 other songs locked so that you'd come back to the game two and 4 months later. If Konami wanted to do something like that on a console game, I'd be fine with it, as long as there was some major eamuse-like feature to justify it.



Couldn't you just abuse clock settings then? Unless there was a code menu on the game and codes would be slowly released. Then again im pretty sure some people would hack the disc and expose it on the first day or two.

Posted by: Oogami May 7 2009, 11:18 AM

If there's one thing locked songs in a home version videogame has shown us, is that it's cool for a day or two and after that time, when many people still haven't figured out the trick to unlocking the final few songs (e.g. DJT CS), the novelty wears off and people just want the rest of the damn songs already.

Posted by: Schlagwerk May 7 2009, 11:59 AM

QUOTE (Oogami @ May 7 2009, 09:18 AM) *
If there's one thing locked songs in a home version videogame has shown us, is that it's cool for a day or two and after that time, when many people still haven't figured out the trick to unlocking the final few songs (e.g. DJT CS), the novelty wears off and people just want the rest of the damn songs already.

But you enjoy that damned song when you finally figure out how to get it. At least I did

Posted by: WILD RIDE May 7 2009, 02:19 PM

I enjoyed the unlock process in DJT so much that I pointlessly unlocked Axem's file, knowing he'd never play it anyway. And then a week later the unlock code came out.

Posted by: Faker13 May 7 2009, 02:48 PM

yeah unlocking on DJT was fun

Posted by: osrg May 7 2009, 03:25 PM

DJT and the past few styles unlock systems have been great I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about :/

Posted by: Jadin May 7 2009, 03:33 PM

hahaha

Posted by: rmz May 7 2009, 03:52 PM

I heard that Empress CS will bring back Pop'n 10's unlock system, enjoy

Posted by: Apollo2X May 7 2009, 03:52 PM

This conversation is getting increasingly entertaining

Posted by: itsgreylolol May 7 2009, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (rmz @ May 7 2009, 03:52 PM) *
I heard that Empress CS will bring back Pop'n 10's unlock system, enjoy


I would murder someone

Posted by: Faker13 May 7 2009, 04:20 PM

i havent quite played 10 yet
how did that one go

Posted by: rmz May 7 2009, 04:27 PM

QUOTE (Faker13 @ May 7 2009, 02:20 PM) *
i havent quite played 10 yet
how did that one go

Worse than getting stabbed repeatedly in the eye with a hot poker.

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Posted by: Mazrim May 7 2009, 04:40 PM

I still have only half of Pop'n 10 unlocked. Fuck that game.

Posted by: Xythar May 7 2009, 04:48 PM

Pop'n 10 actually took a shorter time to unlock than many of the others if you were dedicated and concentrated that time only on unlocking it.

Posted by: WILD RIDE May 7 2009, 04:52 PM

I'm time unlocking Pop'n 10 as we speak. I'm very confused as to why I had Telephone Shopping my last arcade game, but now it's gone.

Posted by: Ryujin May 7 2009, 04:53 PM

Maybe Telephone Shopping decided it was a really bad song and shut itself in isolation from the Pop'n Music 10 list, never to be seen again.

Posted by: WILD RIDE May 7 2009, 04:56 PM

Maybe it's one of the best songs in the game, and the only bad thing about it is its BPM.

Posted by: Rowen of the Strata May 7 2009, 05:16 PM

Pop'n 10 was one of the easiest to unlock. Took me 3 hours playing with a friend and then I got my copy and I did it in another 3 hours. Pop'n 9 was torture, especially getting all of the EX's. And 11 took forever too. PNM10 took less time than Troopers did.

Posted by: rmz May 7 2009, 05:37 PM

QUOTE (Rowen of the Strata @ May 7 2009, 03:16 PM) *
Pop'n 10 was one of the easiest to unlock. Took me 3 hours playing with a friend and then I got my copy and I did it in another 3 hours.

Then you're lucky as shit because playing 5 full rounds through Arcade mode without getting a single unlock is not my idea of easy

Posted by: Xythar May 7 2009, 05:41 PM

The trick is you had the same chance no matter how many songs you played. So I think I just played normal mode, quit the first and second songs with start and then got my unlock chance. Took 4 hours for the full unlock IIRC. Most of the other popn games force you to play a full round each time and yeah that'd suck if you kept getting nothing.

Posted by: Oogami May 9 2009, 04:50 PM

QUOTE (Schlagwerk @ May 7 2009, 12:59 PM) *
But you enjoy that damned song when you finally figure out how to get it. At least I did

True. I'm simply remembering all of the vitriol I saw spouted around release time from people getting impatient about not figuring out how to get VOX UP.

I certainly felt a thrill each time I unlocked a new song :>.

Posted by: DEAD DRANK May 10 2009, 04:15 AM

QUOTE (Oogami @ May 9 2009, 02:50 PM) *
True. I'm simply remembering all of the vitriol I saw spouted around release time from people getting impatient about not figuring out how to get VOX UP.

I certainly felt a thrill each time I unlocked a new song :>.

Hey, in my defense as a vitriol-spewer, I just wanted Vox so I could get the much more playable Last Striker unlocked.

Fuck Vox Up. Eternally.

Posted by: Xythar May 10 2009, 04:21 AM

QUOTE (Oogami @ May 9 2009, 05:50 PM) *
True. I'm simply remembering all of the vitriol I saw spouted around release time from people getting impatient about not figuring out how to get VOX UP.


In this case, it essentially lasted until each person in question actually played VOX UP

Posted by: Sense2007 May 10 2009, 05:26 AM

vox up is the best song fuck you guys.
(i was pretty pissed when i heard the subsequent Ryu* BGM music unlock, though. ugggggh)

Posted by: Mazrim May 10 2009, 08:56 PM

I don't think they're saying it's a bad song, just not fun to play.

Posted by: Xythar May 10 2009, 09:01 PM

Yeah basically

Whoever thought it'd be an awesome idea to give the hyper chart OML [a]'s ending can bite me

Posted by: osrg May 10 2009, 10:54 PM

It's one of the only good hypers in TROOPZ. It doesn't suffer from post-RED another syndrome, where konami doesn't give a shit about the hyper.

Posted by: Xythar May 10 2009, 11:07 PM

If by "doesn't give a shit" you mean "doesn't make it impossible" then I'm okay with that >_>

Posted by: osrg May 10 2009, 11:39 PM

QUOTE (Xythar @ May 11 2009, 12:07 AM) *
If by "doesn't give a shit" you mean "doesn't make it impossible" then I'm okay with that >_>


Well I meant something along the lines of "doesn't make charts like THE SAFARI and RISLIM anymore". Basically hypers that use most of the sounds in the song. VOX comes pretty close, and the hyper chart is actually fun unlike the another.

Posted by: Mazrim May 11 2009, 09:44 AM

So basically what you're saying is that the Hyper should have been the another. People who play mostly Hyper do not find VOX UP very fun at all. =P

Posted by: Faker13 May 11 2009, 11:20 AM

yeah vox up is pretty stupid all around

Posted by: osrg May 11 2009, 12:01 PM

QUOTE (Mazrim @ May 11 2009, 10:44 AM) *
So basically what you're saying is that the Hyper should have been the another. People who play mostly Hyper do not find VOX UP very fun at all. =P


It shouldn't even have an another. The another is just dumb imo.

Posted by: Moogy May 11 2009, 02:26 PM

Uh... saying that something shouldn't have an another just because you can't pass the another is pretty silly. So there should be no hard songs on IIDX at all?

Posted by: Ryujin May 11 2009, 02:42 PM

Judging from everything he's passed, I don't think Gabe's got problems with it due to the difficulty.

Posted by: osrg May 11 2009, 02:46 PM

QUOTE (Ryujin @ May 11 2009, 03:42 PM) *
Judging from everything he's passed, I don't think Gabe's got problems with it due to the difficulty.


Yeah, I really think the another chart is annoying though. It's hard to score on and the scratches through most of the song don't make a lot of sense to me.

Posted by: Milk Chan May 11 2009, 05:07 PM

Vox up [a] isn't that hard to pass at all timing it is just a bitch.

Posted by: rmz May 11 2009, 05:21 PM

QUOTE
OML[a] is easy

Posted by: osrg May 11 2009, 06:44 PM

As for those who claim it's OML:

Stop complaining about the easiest part of OML [a]'s ending.

Posted by: Xythar May 11 2009, 06:49 PM

The second half is the easiest part of Mei [a], doesn't mean I'm gonna pass it any time soon

Posted by: Sense2007 May 12 2009, 08:36 AM

man tripmachina aint got no problems voxing the fuck up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXbhCHCPpRM

Posted by: Krazy May 12 2009, 10:25 PM

VOX UP [a] has a great chart. I'm not even being sarcastic, it is actually really well structured. Play it on random and it'll turn into a shitfest.

Posted by: Nihopalaoa May 12 2009, 11:26 PM

QUOTE (Krazy @ May 12 2009, 08:25 PM) *
VOX UP [a] has a great chart. I'm not even being sarcastic, it is actually really well structured. Play it on random and it'll turn into a shitfest.

yeah, the structure is on par with get on beat wild style [a], usual days remix [a] and please don't go [a]

Posted by: Jadin May 13 2009, 01:10 AM

all those charts are great except usual crappy days !!!

Posted by: Chaos-343 May 13 2009, 10:09 AM

Get On Beat (Wild Style) [A] with Mirror is one of my favorite charts.

Posted by: Eijiken May 13 2009, 11:53 AM

QUOTE (Mazrim @ May 11 2009, 10:44 AM) *
So basically what you're saying is that the Hyper should have been the another. People who play mostly Hyper do not find VOX UP very fun at all. =P

I agree

Posted by: Fungi May 13 2009, 09:58 PM

lern2scratch

Posted by: Taren May 16 2009, 10:23 PM

I think the hardest part about clearing Vox Up is the part right before the ending- that section alone drops me 10-20% and then the roll finishes me off. The chart is kinda growing on me, but I really struggle with it. I don't even bother with the Another. It's about as fun as any black-12.

Of course, I suck at this game el oh el. I have HC'd all the 10's and have cleared all the 11's except VOP SUX. Go figure. I've even HC'd Innocent Walls Hyper, and *gasp* that's a 12!

Posted by: itsgreylolol May 16 2009, 10:38 PM

Wait, how is Vox Up [h] the only 11 you havent cleared? You have FPOH and not that? Weiiiiird

Posted by: Taren May 18 2009, 08:39 PM

QUOTE (itsgreylolol @ May 16 2009, 08:38 PM) *
Wait, how is Vox Up [h] the only 11 you havent cleared? You have FPOH and not that? Weiiiiird


hell yeah I have FPOH. It took a couple of tries, I'll say that, maybe 5 or 6. I swear I've got 15-20 plays on Vox Up and I my best might be 50-60%.

I'm okay at scratching once I learn the pattern. (Wonder Bullshit[a] is a pretty easy HC for me now) FPOH is just scales, and that's easy for me.

Vox is too fast or something. Maybe if I turned the high speed down...

Let's see, other 11's I can't do: Sense2k7 (naturally), Fake Time [h], In the sky (would probably have passed it by now if my PS2 would read the damn disc there, stupid CS debuts have to be placed along the outer edge of the disc), Bleeding Luv, Inazuma maybe, JALS, TDOL.

Posted by: Rowen of the Strata May 18 2009, 10:15 PM

I passed the Hyper on that on my first try, but can't even get close to FPOH [a].

Posted by: Mazrim May 19 2009, 09:30 AM

Different strokes for different folks. It's the "Is Go Berzerk a 10 or 11 on Hyper" debate all over again. Some people (like me) cannot pass Go Berzerk no matter how hard they try (I have double the playcount on Go Berzerk compared to any other chart on RED, and that's not even counting early fail outs), and some people can pass it every time and don't understand why people think it's hard.

Posted by: rmz May 19 2009, 10:39 AM

QUOTE (Mazrim @ May 19 2009, 07:30 AM) *
"Is Go Berzerk a 10 or 11 on Hyper"

12

Posted by: Mazrim May 19 2009, 01:01 PM

I wouldn't go so far to say 12. Vox Up, Go Berzerk and Innocent Walls (fake 12) all feel around the same level of difficulty to me. They're passable, but just outside my reach. Fake Time and Gigadelic though...those would be 12s. I don't care how easy Fake Time is before the last third of the song, it's just so ridiculous compared to anything else you have to play on Hyper. Gigadelic is a mess of epic proportions in the ending. This is going way off topic though.

Posted by: osrg May 19 2009, 01:44 PM

I'm of the opinion that Sense 07 is the only 12 out of all the hypers, I had like no trouble passing any of the other ones ever. And to think Sense 07 was on a more recent style makes it more surprising to me that I couldn't.

Hey guys what is going on with the song list? did they change it or announce what it's gonna be on yet? IIRC the collection started recnetly.

Posted by: rmz May 19 2009, 02:50 PM

Yep, the collection is going on right now, and it runs until the end of the month. L.E.D. has made a couple subsequent blog posts that further seem to reinforce the idea that all of the songs will be on there (he said things like "it has a kind of feeling like a Best Hits title, for the 10th anniversary of CS Bemani") but no other details have been given, such as format, platform, etc.

My money at this point is on a jam-packed DVD9 PS2 game with some videos removed but who really knows.

Posted by: Spiritsnare May 19 2009, 04:24 PM

QUOTE (rmz @ May 19 2009, 12:50 PM) *
My money at this point is on a jam-packed DVD9 PS2 game with some videos removed but who really knows.


I have a vision of a release of Empress where every BGA has been scrapped in favor of overlays in the style of 5-key.

Posted by: Schlagwerk May 19 2009, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (Spiritsnare @ May 19 2009, 02:24 PM) *
I have a vision of a release of Empress where every BGA and song has been scrapped in favor of overlays and songs of 5-key.

...a man can dream, can't he?

Posted by: Apollo2X May 19 2009, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (Spiritsnare @ May 20 2009, 12:24 AM) *
I have a vision of a release of Empress where every BGA has been scrapped in favor of overlays in the style of 5-key.

If they do that, they will most likely be tempted to also retro-upgrade it with the 3rd mix keysound library. The two go together like peanutbutter and honey (this is Europe Sparta)

Posted by: Putf8umHawke May 19 2009, 08:30 PM

QUOTE (rmz @ May 19 2009, 01:50 PM) *
My money at this point is on a jam-packed DVD9 PS2 game with some videos removed but who really knows.


welp, time to get a 3rd PS2.

Posted by: Velius May 21 2009, 01:54 PM

With videos removed, the game will probably fit on a DVD5. People have been successful with taking DVD9 games and modifying them to fit on a DVD5 so I wouldn't go out and look for some alternative solution to swap magic right away.

Posted by: Xenogenesis May 21 2009, 04:47 PM

QUOTE
DVD9


Well the whole free mcboot thing is PRETTY SWEET, and can be used to play DVD9's, so I'm really not sure way anyone's making a concern of this or even still swapping discs these days.

Posted by: Velius May 21 2009, 05:02 PM

Im pretty sure DVD9s do not work on Free MCBOOT.

Posted by: Xythar May 21 2009, 05:06 PM

I have a modded PS2, a PS3 and a Japanese 360 so pretty much no matter what they do I'm set btns.gif

unless they release it for like, mobile phones or something

Posted by: rmz May 21 2009, 05:15 PM

cue beatmania II DS picture

Posted by: Xythar May 21 2009, 05:21 PM

Yeah got that too btns.gif

If they really wanted to screw me over they'd have to release it for the original Xbox and have it not be backwards compatible with the 360

Posted by: rmz May 21 2009, 05:27 PM

I heard it's going to be on the 3DO, actually.

Posted by: grayfox9996 May 21 2009, 05:50 PM

TURBOGRAPHX

Posted by: Rowen of the Strata May 21 2009, 06:45 PM

QUOTE (Velius @ May 21 2009, 05:02 PM) *
Im pretty sure DVD9s do not work on Free MCBOOT.


Yeah they do. Yakuza 2 works just fine.

Posted by: Bartz May 22 2009, 05:12 PM

Good thing I bought a JPS2.

Posted by: therealbong May 22 2009, 07:33 PM

Obviously its going to be for the Atari. All you'll need is a multitap, 7 controls for the 7 buttons, and a paddle from pong and you're good to go. The thing will be just as sturdy as a Rave Discman!

Posted by: Milk Chan May 22 2009, 07:40 PM

ATARI JAGUAR THAT IS

Posted by: Team Ragnarok May 22 2009, 08:27 PM

You're all wrong. It'll be on the Intellivision.

Posted by: Chaos-343 May 22 2009, 10:05 PM

CD-I

With quality mspaint drawn BGM's.

Posted by: Team Ragnarok May 23 2009, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (Chaos-343 @ May 22 2009, 11:05 PM) *
CD-I

With quality mspaint drawn BGM's.


[DINNER] MAH BOI / THE KING / BPM 75-300 / 7/11/12 8/11/12

Posted by: WILD RIDE May 24 2009, 11:47 AM

That king has a name you know.

Posted by: Taren May 24 2009, 01:20 PM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ May 24 2009, 09:47 AM) *
That king has a name you know.


Is it Burger?

Posted by: afrogeoff May 29 2009, 02:49 PM

does anybody know when Empress CS would be released? hopefully june or july?
I want this so badly before summer hits

Posted by: rmz May 29 2009, 03:30 PM

QUOTE (afrogeoff @ May 29 2009, 12:49 PM) *
does anybody know when Empress CS would be released?

no

But given that it's May 29 hoping for a June release is pretty ridiculous. At this point, I would say late summer/early fall.

Posted by: WILD RIDE May 29 2009, 06:00 PM

Probably October or November.

Speculation is fun.

Posted by: itsgreylolol Jun 12 2009, 03:51 PM

So, with the forums being down/migrated and everything, I didnt miss anything here, right? We're still totally in the dark on what they're planning with this release?

Posted by: Mazrim Jun 12 2009, 04:51 PM

I check Bemanistyle while the site was down and all I saw was more useless Rock Band updates.

Posted by: Moogy Jun 12 2009, 05:46 PM

Konami hasn't said shit about Empress CS yet.

Posted by: rmz Jun 12 2009, 10:49 PM

The score data thing ended last week so maybe we'll get something soon.

Posted by: Apollo2X Jul 1 2009, 12:33 PM

It's July and we still have nothing :/ Maybe Konmai wants to celebrate 4th of July first.

Posted by: luppolo Jul 1 2009, 01:06 PM

wanna party was missing from the list, not really a problem if empress cs is skipped

Posted by: Faefly Kite Jul 1 2009, 01:14 PM

dangit, this game is basically confirmed for PS3 based on this:

https://www.jgamers.com/store/product.php?productid=30004&cat=134

Posted by: rmz Jul 1 2009, 01:23 PM

clearly

Posted by: Apollo2X Jul 1 2009, 01:27 PM

It was just that the temporary box art was misleading, nothing else.

Posted by: Krazy Jul 8 2009, 12:16 AM

PS2!!! to be released on 10/15



from purotora



guess I'm buying a Dao!!

It says beatmania IIDX 16 Empress + Premium Best. So I wonder what Premium Best could be, maybe a 2nd disc with all the revivals? It's 7880 yen which is a lot.

Posted by: Xythar Jul 8 2009, 12:21 AM

Here comes the collective sigh of relief I assume


...where is Pop'n Music sad.gif

edit: Could well be...

Posted by: grayfox9996 Jul 8 2009, 12:25 AM

Damn the Patriots...!

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to keep waiting to be able to play IIDX. Unless this is really a "progressive" Style, and they do something new with it.

(see what I did there)

Posted by: Krazy Jul 8 2009, 12:25 AM

I'm guessing that since it's coming out on 10/15, Sirius AC will come out before that because I don't think they would release a CS version when it is still the latest AC version. Then again, look at DDR.

Posted by: b00geyman Jul 8 2009, 12:32 AM

yeauh ps2 forever ~respek~

Posted by: WILD RIDE Jul 8 2009, 12:34 AM

I didn't buy TROOPERS for various stupid reasons, so I swore I'd buy this regardless of quality, but...I dunno about that price. Ug.

Posted by: rmz Jul 8 2009, 12:58 AM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ Jul 7 2009, 10:34 PM) *
I didn't buy TROOPERS for various stupid reasons, so I swore I'd buy this regardless of quality, but...I dunno about that price. Ug.

Yeah, but...200 songs or whatever. Very much worth it to me.

I am hoping that it's two discs, though, because while I'm willing to buy a JPS2, I'd rather not have to if I can avoid it.

EDIT: Although the photo says "over 180 songs", which seems to imply that it's all in the same "game" accessible at once. Welp, JPS2 time maybe

Posted by: Rowen of the Strata Jul 8 2009, 01:06 AM

FreeMcBoot plays dual layer discs just fine. You should look into it. But then again, I also own a JPS2 so I'm covered either way.

Posted by: rmz Jul 8 2009, 01:10 AM

QUOTE (Rowen of the Strata @ Jul 7 2009, 11:06 PM) *
FreeMcBoot plays dual layer discs just fine. You should look into it. But then again, I also own a JPS2 so I'm covered either way.

Oh yeah? Hmm, might be worth checking out. But then again, I can play my English PS2 games on my PS3 so if I had an unmodded JPS2 I wouldn't really suffer any inconvenience. It depends on the options, I guess.

Also, the Famitsu blurb might say something about a song(s) from Sirius being included as well, but it's pretty blurry and apparently people are not completely sure if that is for certain or not.

Posted by: Faker13 Jul 8 2009, 01:34 AM

i eagerly await the premium best
there best be many old songs that will make huge use of hs5, sran, etc

Posted by: Xythar Jul 8 2009, 01:35 AM

Technically, every 3rd style song already makes use of HS5.

Posted by: Faker13 Jul 8 2009, 01:41 AM

err i meant in-song HS changing

Posted by: rage against the usual Jul 8 2009, 02:10 AM

Oh yes. Now if this Premium Collection thing is filled with old 5k\iidx songs that aren't on AC and old CS songs that would be perfect. The only possible downside I can foresee is not being able to create an expert course of nageki\3y3s\go beyond\himiko\mei due to old songs being on a different disc or something weird like that

Posted by: arttq Jul 8 2009, 02:26 AM

Nice smile.gif I will be buying this.

Posted by: Moogy Jul 8 2009, 05:30 AM

Is it bad if I'm more excited for whatever Premium Best is than I am for Empress itself?

Not that Empress isn't going to be great, mind you.

Posted by: Faker13 Jul 8 2009, 07:35 AM

im only excited for mahoroba really, oh and the 3 empress place songs arent bad either, marie antoinette is awesome

Posted by: Toph Jul 8 2009, 08:50 AM

fucking weirdos

GET HYPE FOR HIMIKO

Posted by: Himiko Jul 8 2009, 08:54 AM

QUOTE (Toph @ Jul 8 2009, 09:50 AM) *
GET HYPE FOR HIMIKO


Posted by: Mazrim Jul 8 2009, 10:08 AM

I dunno, there are a lot of songs I like on Empress, though I haven't seen their charts...so I'm looking forward to both Empress and this Premium Best! It's too bad that they couldn't wait for 20, November though.

Posted by: godai Jul 8 2009, 11:07 AM

http://www.ariesu.com/images/dengeki/dengeki-49l.jpg

here's another picture because i'm always a bearer of news even though i saw shit on purotora yesterday probably before that first post about CS empress and never posted it because i don't always like being the bearer of news.

2 disc set confirmed in that image, for the people who can't read japanese. oh wait that's everyone.
edit: oh yeah it also says it's the last CS IIDX release on PS2. Last forever? Moving to new hardware? WHO KNOWS!?!??!?!

Posted by: Apollo2X Jul 8 2009, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (godai @ Jul 8 2009, 07:07 PM) *
http://www.ariesu.com/images/dengeki/dengeki-49l.jpg

here's another picture because i'm always a bearer of news even though i saw shit on purotora yesterday probably before that first post about CS empress and never posted it because i don't always like being the bearer of news.

2 disc set confirmed in that image, for the people who can't read japanese. oh wait that's everyone.
edit: oh yeah it also says it's the last CS IIDX release on PS2. Last forever? Moving to new hardware? WHO KNOWS!?!??!?!

OMG WE'RE DOOMED!

Posted by: Toph Jul 8 2009, 11:18 AM

GREAT

SENDOFF

Posted by: Deets Jul 8 2009, 12:11 PM

If it's two-discs, might that entail some kind of bizare disc-swappery akin to the old 5-key games? Can FreeMCBoot handle that shit?

Posted by: Apollo2X Jul 8 2009, 12:16 PM

Time to make use out of that PS2 HDD thingie.

Posted by: WILD RIDE Jul 8 2009, 12:25 PM

Don't we already know what's going to be on this collection thing, and most of it is stuff that doesn't need to be revived? I guess it's going to be the best CS since HS either way, going by that screenshot.

Posted by: Mazrim Jul 8 2009, 12:26 PM

What does the one caption say about HOUSE NATION? That it's confirmed to still be in the game or what?

Posted by: godai Jul 8 2009, 12:51 PM

It just says it includes collabs with house nation, which i think is just a comment about the empress songlist, nothing special.

Posted by: rmz Jul 8 2009, 01:15 PM

QUOTE (Toph @ Jul 8 2009, 09:18 AM) *
GREAT

SENDOFF


Posted by: rmz Jul 8 2009, 01:16 PM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ Jul 8 2009, 10:25 AM) *
Don't we already know what's going to be on this collection thing, and most of it is stuff that doesn't need to be revived? I guess it's going to be the best CS since HS either way, going by that screenshot.

Your definition of "needs to be revived" conflicts with Konami's, which is "the most popular songs that everyone likes to play on the AC versions", not "obscure old songs and CS songs that most people don't care about"

Don't get me wrong, I would like to see Gobble and The Big Voyager on this too, but Konami is giving something to their fans who want to be able to play all of their favorite songs on it. The songlist includes a VERY large portion of the most popular songs in IIDX.

Posted by: Toph Jul 8 2009, 01:25 PM

QUOTE (Deets @ Jul 8 2009, 07:11 AM) *
If it's two-discs, might that entail some kind of bizare disc-swappery akin to the old 5-key games? Can FreeMCBoot handle that shit?


The real question is, can FreeMcBoot handle a sendoff of this greatness?

Posted by: Schlagwerk Jul 8 2009, 01:28 PM

QUOTE (rmz @ Jul 8 2009, 11:16 AM) *
Don't get me wrong, I would like to see Virtual Mind and Infinite Prayer on this too, but Konami is giving something to their fans who want to be able to play all of their favorite songs on it.

And of course it's the Japanese who are picking the "most popular" songs, so they're gonna be ass
though if V is not on this heads are gonna roll!

Posted by: Mazrim Jul 8 2009, 02:50 PM

QUOTE (Schlagwerk @ Jul 8 2009, 12:28 PM) *
though if V is not on this heads are gonna roll!

Yoshitaka will remix it and it will suddenly be removed from everything.

Posted by: chickensnack Jul 8 2009, 02:53 PM

QUOTE (Schlagwerk @ Jul 8 2009, 11:28 AM) *
And of course it's the Japanese who are picking the "most popular" songs, so they're gonna be ass
though if V is not on this heads are gonna roll!


V is in the famitsu dengeki screenshot of the song select

Posted by: rmz Jul 8 2009, 02:57 PM

v.gif

Posted by: THECapedCaper Jul 8 2009, 03:16 PM

Oh, October, why must you be so far away?

All the revivals will be awesome though. Two discs will be a great way to finish off the PS2 era.

Posted by: rmz Jul 8 2009, 04:23 PM

Can a fluent speaker translate what the latest Purotora post is saying? It seems to indicate that Konami has a sales target of 40,000 for Empress. I don't see any explicit mention of what that "target" really means, but I took that to mean that they will continue the CS series (presumably on a new-gen platform) if the sales are strong. I don't understand every bit of it, though.

Posted by: godai Jul 8 2009, 04:50 PM

son of a bitch you guys ok give me a while

oh it just says somebody went to some business talks with SCE and that they mentioned that the sales goal was 40k and he is also remembering that the sales benchmark for production of 7th style was 20k. Nothing of any significance in there.

Posted by: DDRaHolic Jul 8 2009, 06:14 PM

The sucky thing is that songs like Clione will probably still not get an another.

Posted by: THECapedCaper Jul 8 2009, 06:25 PM

A lot of songs don't have Anothers still, lol.

40K doesn't seem too bad though, didn't DD and GOLD sell decently?

Posted by: godai Jul 8 2009, 08:56 PM

I think this is just a goal, not a "we need to sell this many"
Though exceeding it smartly would probably not hurt.

Posted by: Jadin Jul 8 2009, 10:36 PM

It's obvious that these pictures are confusing everybody.
Let me ask my Japanese-speaking friend what they mean.

Posted by: Milk Chan Jul 8 2009, 11:05 PM

QUOTE (Deets @ Jul 8 2009, 10:11 AM) *
If it's two-discs, might that entail some kind of bizare disc-swappery akin to the old 5-key games? Can FreeMCBoot handle that shit?


It COULD just be 2 seperate discs that you run as you please. No append shit or anything. I'm actually wondering if Premium Best will have its own theme or if it will just be the same as Empress.


Oh and I wonder if Gambol AAAs will go up now that you can adjust the timing.




Posted by: Xythar Jul 8 2009, 11:16 PM

Gambol's timing has never been off, it's just very very exact. You need to be more accurate and you will tend to get Goods more often if you are not.

Posted by: rage against the usual Jul 8 2009, 11:17 PM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ Jul 8 2009, 10:25 AM) *
Don't we already know what's going to be on this collection thing, and most of it is stuff that doesn't need to be revived? I guess it's going to be the best CS since HS either way, going by that screenshot.

We know what songs from Empress AC are going to be on the collection. I counted 127 songs on that list so I dunno if we're gonna get anything besides that, but DD had Smoke and DJT had switch so I'd be surprised if there aren't any blasts from the past on this game...i.e. something that deserves to be revived.

Also, "stuff that doesn't need to be revived" "best CS since HS either way, going by that screenshot [WITH V PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED]" reminds me of
QUOTE
I quit episode 9 about 15 mins in because it was [...] 75% otaku fanservice shit [..] especially now that new episodes of Haruhi are being made.

Posted by: Xythar Jul 8 2009, 11:32 PM

Empress CS episodes 1-8 were okay to decent but they really jumped the shark after that, yeah

Posted by: BBH Jul 9 2009, 12:02 AM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ Jul 8 2009, 10:25 AM) *
I guess it's going to be the best CS since HS either way, going by that screenshot.


loooooooooooooooooooool

Posted by: WILD RIDE Jul 9 2009, 12:39 AM

Well I'm glad some people got it.

Posted by: BBH Jul 9 2009, 12:58 AM

oh it was a joke? I can never tell any more

Posted by: Saiyajin Jul 9 2009, 01:51 AM

Dang, says over 180 songs. I know I'm late to this I don't come here often enough to participate in active discussion anymore.

Two discs, dang. Wish they'd make an append disc so we could play songs from older styles on the new visual theme. Probably pretty complicated to do that, though. I've been wishing that since 6th style CS. Hahahahahaha.... it'll never happen.

But still, over 180 songs is gonna be rockin. Good thing there are PS2 -> PS3 adaptors... If IIDX goes triple, I'm definitely sold on the system even if though it's big enough to crush me to death in my sleep. Dang, over 180 songs... Wow. I know I'll be playing the revivals disc a lot more than the Empress disc, that's for sure. New songs in Empress aren't so great, I play almost revivals exclusively at the arcade. :/

Posted by: Faker13 Jul 9 2009, 02:28 AM

totally sig'd

Posted by: rmz Jul 9 2009, 02:33 AM

I actually have only listened to a few songs from Empress yet so a lot about the songlist is unfamiliar to me. This may be the first CS gave that I have been relatively "unspoiled" for in...ever.

Posted by: WILD RIDE Jul 9 2009, 03:24 AM

I listened to the entire OST, all I remember from it are a couple of words from House Nation.

Am I the only one who finds it slightly disturbing that baby music GAVE BIRTH to dance music?

Posted by: Apollo2X Jul 9 2009, 03:28 AM

QUOTE (WILD RIDE @ Jul 9 2009, 11:24 AM) *
I listened to the entire OST, all I remember from it are a couple of words from House Nation.

Am I the only one who finds it slightly disturbing that baby music GAVE BIRTH to dance music?

At least she's not asking you to truck her.

Posted by: Saiyajin Jul 9 2009, 05:56 AM

QUOTE (rmz @ Jul 9 2009, 03:33 AM) *
I actually have only listened to a few songs from Empress yet so a lot about the songlist is unfamiliar to me. This may be the first CS gave that I have been relatively "unspoiled" for in...ever.


I went through all of the songs once at the arcade, trust me, you're not missing much.

QUOTE (Faker13 @ Jul 9 2009, 03:28 AM)
totally sig'd


Oops, remind me to proof read my posts better to for it at then me.

But yeah, I just looked at the revival list and am totally disappointed that there is no VIRTUAL MIND. But I'm sure all the COOTE LOVERS are stoked to hear about BLAME's glorious return.

Also, I was looking at RMZ's post a while ago regarding V, and it made me think... maybe a cool alteration for his name could be RM v.gif .

Posted by: Schlagwerk Jul 9 2009, 10:52 AM

QUOTE (rage against the usual @ Jul 8 2009, 09:17 PM) *
I counted 127 songs on that list

with the total at over 180 that leaves a lot of room for more 5k revivals!
Seriously Konami.. you give us an append disc that isn't Beatmania The Final?

WORST

SEDNOFF

Posted by: rmz Jul 9 2009, 01:08 PM

QUOTE (Saiyajin @ Jul 9 2009, 03:56 AM) *
Also, I was looking at RMZ's post a while ago regarding V, and it made me think... maybe a cool alteration for his name could be RM v.gif .

japanese alterrrrrration / rm:v: / ssd fantasica

Posted by: Faker13 Jul 9 2009, 01:48 PM

QUOTE (Saiyajin @ Jul 9 2009, 05:56 AM) *
But yeah, I just looked at the revival list and am totally disappointed that there is no VIRTUAL MIND. But I'm sure all the COOTE LOVERS are stoked to hear about BLAME's glorious return.



fuck i didnt see that it wasnt there sad.gif
i want to play it on fast speed and HC it sad.gif

Posted by: WILD RIDE Jul 9 2009, 02:31 PM

Considering it premiered in 5th, was gone by 7th, returned in GOLD, and was gone again by EMPRESS, I'd say the Japanese IIDX players have unfathomably bad taste, and we'll probably never see it in another home release.

Posted by: Zerstorung Jul 9 2009, 06:02 PM

Goddammit Konami, revive bit mania and dancer already.

Posted by: Faefly Kite Jul 9 2009, 06:15 PM

I didn't remember if CYO is being revived, but I'm gonna be hardcore and only play it on 9th

(and GAMBOL [A] on RED just in case, but as stated already I really doubt timing adjust will make this song "easier")

Posted by: spineshark Jul 9 2009, 07:10 PM

4th and LS2 is the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkGQw8Ank1k CYO experience.

I'm really excited for this, probably because it's my first CS release. Well, I bought the OST too. I like most of it a lot, so the higher-than-usual proportion of things that are pretty terrible doesn't really bother me.

Posted by: godai Jul 9 2009, 09:32 PM

These forums make me laugh sometimes. Usually it's not a good laugh.

Posted by: Saiyajin Jul 9 2009, 09:53 PM

:< You should try to laugh for fun next time instead of those evil laughs like Dr. Claw.

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